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Interview with Francisco and Delores Guzman



Francisco Guzman was born in San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, Mexico, on Oct. 4, 1900. Dolores Rodriguez de Guzman was born in a small town in the state of San Luis Potosi. They met in Mexico and married in Ojinada, Chihuahua. In 1922 they came to the United States and settled in St. Paul in 1929. SUBJECTS DISCUSSED: The Mexican Revolution - Francisco Guzman's military service in Mexico - his employment with railroads, sugar companies and various contractors - Mexican traditions and food - and family life. COMMENTS ON INTERVIEW: In Spanish, transcribed into English.





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This interview was conducted as part of a series on the Mexican American in Minnesota. Mr. Francisco Guzman was born in San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, Mexico to a very well to do family. He joined the military service when he was very young. After getting his

discharge from the service, he and his wife decided to come to the United States for a visit and find out how life in the United States was like. to Mexico as soon as their money got low. They had planned to return

They crossed the border at Presidio, Texas,

and lived near Ma1pa, Texas for a while than moved to Fort Worth, Texas where they contracted to come to the beet fields in Minnesota in 1929. that they decided to remain and make their home in St. Paul. Mrs. Guzman was fourteen 'Tears old when she married her husband in 1922. They have seven They liked Minnesota so well

children, the oldest daughter was born in Mexico, one son was born in Texas, and the rest were born in Minnesota.

Mr. and Mrs. Guzman give their advice to the young people.
This is a transcript

Spanish interview, edited and translated to aid The original tape recording is

in clarity and ease of comprehension for the reader.

available in the Audio-Visual Library of the Minnesota Historical Society.

INTERVIEW WITH MR. FRANCISCO GUZMAN AND MRS. DOLORES RODRIGUEZ DE GUZMAN July 17, 1975 Barela: This is Victor Barela, interviewing Mr. Francisco Guzman and Mrs. Dolores Rodriguez de Guzman of 463 Iglehart Avenue, St. Paul, Minnesota, for the Minnesota Historical Society. Today is July 17, 1975. Do I have your

permission to take an interview from you? Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Mrs. Guzman: Yes, you do. What is your full name? Francisco Guzman. Where were you born? San Miguel de Allende, Guanajuato, Mexico. What year were you born? October 4, 1900. Who were your parents? Mariano Ula1io Guzman and Salomea Rico. When were they born? I don't know. Where was your father born? My father was born in Spain. Do you know the town? I used to hear him say "Sevilla". Where was your mother born? She was born in La Jolla, Guanajuato, Mexico. What did your father do for a living? He was a cattle" rancher. His father owned a lot of property, he had a big ranch. family. He had up to 29 men working for him. He also had a large

He doesn't know how many He had other people

acres of land he had. do all the work.

All he did was collect the money.

My husband's mother had_servants do the work for her.

-2Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Guzman: His family was well off? Yes, very well off. The whole family was well off.

Did you have any brothers? Yes I did. died now. Jose, Ipo1ito, Leandro, Faustino and Jesus, they have all

Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman:

How about sisters? Yes, there was 16 of us. What were some of their

There was Maria, Ana, Ausensia, Ortensia, Aurelia, Juanita, I don't remember the others.

Barela: Guzman: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman:

So there were 16 in your family.

Fourteen children and the parents?

No, there was 16 children plus the parents. His mother died when she had the 16th child. And what is your full name, Mrs. Guzman? Dolores Rodriguez. Where were you born? I was born in the state of San Luis Potosi, in a small town called "Chacas". I only had my mother and my sister. didn't know him. My father did when I was very young, I This was my maiden name. She was still very young.

Barela: Mrs. Guzman:

What was your mother's name? Angela Rodriguez. Mexico. She came to St. Paul and from here she went back to

Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman:

Is she still living? No, she died around 1952. Where was she born? She was born in Chacas. And when were you born? I was born April 26, 1907.


Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Guzman:

How did your mother support the family? She worked in restaurants in Mexico. You said you had a sister, what is her name? Belen. Her husband was killed and she lived with my mother.

Is she older or younger than you? She is older. She is the only relative I have.

Do you remember your parents? Yes, very little. I remember my father well, he died in 1930. Whereas,

my mother died when I was very young. old. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman:

I was about seven or eight years



Do you remember your parents Mrs. Guzman? Only my mother.

From here she went to Mexico and that is where she'died.

Did she encounter a lot of hardships? Yes, during the Revolution. I remember when she used to go to work. I

don't know how we survived in the little town where we lived.

From there From

we went to the state of Chihuahua with the help of a stepsister.

Chihuahua we went to a small town named IIOjilanall near the river and from there we crossed thL border to the u.S. was pay $8 dollars to get across. At that time all you had to do

They would wash us like cattle, weighted

and measured us, then take our picture and gave us a receipt for the $8 dollars and we came across. then. Barela: Guzman: What do you recall about the Revolution? When I was very young I remember seeing the troops. Porfirio Diaz, fell. Then the President It was much easier to come across the border

It was choas with one group fighting another until He organized the government not only I was very young and this is the

Victoriano Huerta came into power. in the capital, but allover Mexico.

impression I got, but maybe it was different.

-4Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman: You must have been about 10 years old? Yes, about 10 years old. Did you get to see any of the atrocities of the Revolution? No, I did not get to see any of that. I heard of them in other places. As

The government was the one that committed most of the atrocities.

soon as they heard that there was a revolutionary in the area they would corne and dig him out. Sometimes when someone disliked someone else they

would tell the government he was a revolutionary and they would go after him. You could count on more mercy from the revolutionaries than from People were afraid of everyone.

the government. Barela: Guzman:

Did you get to see any of these things? No, I just heard about them. There was an incident when someone got the He was a very quiet and honest There was a calvary unit

government after my father's godchild. person.

I guess they did that out of jeo10usy.

that came to our town looking for pasture for their:horse which was starving. There was also one time that they robbed us. Tiburcio Avalos and

Mariano Ortega, who were good friends of the family were in charge of gathering the harvest at Puerto Nieto, our hacienda. working with them. "My father had me

I helped as much as I could in gathering the harvest, After we had

but when it carne to loading the donkeys I wasn't much help.

finished loading the donkeys, one of the government man carne and asked where we were going and we told him we were going into town. He was upset So he

because he said that we were always hiding the things they needed. asked us to go with him.

There were about 50 donkeys loaded with grain He took us where

and about 15 or 20 men, my brothers and some friends. the rest of his men were.

They unloaded the donkeys and kept the grain.

One of the men asked if we could have our sacks back, because we could not continue to work without them. They agreed to let us have the sacks as

-5Guzman: long as we piled the grain for them. San Miguel. feed us. They let us go and we went back to

During the two days that we were held captive they did not

Mr. Avalos had a big house in San Miguel and we went back and
Just as we had completed filling the

started to gather some more crops.

two big trucks with grain the "Carransistas" came and took the whole load. They also took the donkeys and wheat we had because they had about 2,000 men and horses to feed. I begged one of the 1ietenants not to take all

the wheat because my father had other cattle to feed, but they took it anyway. They also wanted to know where they could get some more supplies.

We directed them to "Marcial" which was about an hour and a half from where we were. So they left and we went had to go with them. In "Marcial"

they had their fill of everything that the ranchers had. horses up and left.

They loaded their

They were so happy that they sang "LaCucaracha" and I got home after three days. They did

smoked "Alfonso XII" cigarretes.

not feed us the whole time we were with them.

Most of them were very

poor people so you would think that they would not like to see someone else go hungry, but I think they were affected by the suffering they had gone through and they wanted to see someone else in that same position, I thought of all these things later, we were all Mexicans and we should've cared about one another. selves. It is very sad when people 'only think of them-

There was a man, Porfirio Lopez, who had land next to one of my

father's haciendas, he had an apple orchard and would hire people to pick the apples for him. For every bushel they picked for the boss, they would One time the people picked all the apples and Life was hard during

pick one for themselves.

left him with nothing to show for all his hard work. the revolution.

The "Carransista" government and troops had no discipline

at all, they wanted to take over everything. Barela: Mrs. Guzman, do you remember anything about the revolution?

-6Mrs. Guzman: No, I don't remember any of it. I was very young when we came here. I

don't even remember what it was like when we left.

One of my sons took I told him

us to Mexico one time and he asked me where I wanted to go. I wanted to go to Chacas, where I was born. weren't any roads to get there. had made a road.

But they told him that there

A year later we went to Chacas after they Then my son wanted me to show him The only thing

It was very nice.

around the town, but I could not remember any part of it.

I remembered was the church of St. Jesus that my mother used to talk about. We asked a boy in the town and he said that it was on the other side of the town. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Did you get married in Mexico? Yes in Mexico. In a town near the border. Ojina9a, Chihuahua. That is

where we moved to and I grew up there. was in the service. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: The Mexican service? Yes, he was in the military service. daughter was born there. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. ·Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: When did you get married? In 1922. You must have been very young? Yes, I was 14 years old.

I met my husband there when he

We were married there and my oldest

He was 22 years old.

So you were in the military service, Mr. Guzman? Yes, I was in the service. When did you decide to come to the United States? Right away, even before we were married. When my husband proposed to me, He had

I suggested that he leave the service and do other type of work. been in the service since he was very young, so he agreed.

It was a year

before he was discharged from the service and during that time the baby was

-7Mrs. Guzman: born. He decided that since he was very young he had wanted to come to He had a lot of offers to go to Mexico City, but he

the United States. did not want to go. Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman:

What year did you decided to come to the United States? We crossed the border on October 8, 1922. Where did you cross the border? Presidio, Texas. Why did you want to come to the United States? The reason people come here is because they are very poor and they want to work. But that was not our reason, while we were waiting for my

husband to be discharged money when we came here. Barela: Mrs. Guzman:

receiving some money.

We had plenty of


Did you come to the United States to visit? We came to visit, our visas were good for a year. see what it was iike in the United States. We wanted to travel and

Guzman: Mrs. Guzman: Guzman:

Yes, we wanted to stay here for a year and see what it was like I We had money, we did not come to work. We were going to travel and as soon as the money ran out, we were planning on going back to Mexico.

Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman:

But then we liked it, so we stayed here. Where did you go first? We crossed the border at Presidio, there weren't any trains or other public transportation, so we rode in the mail truck to Malpa, Texas. husband went to work in the railroad. My

Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman:

What type of work did you do?
I would do everything. I laid the tracks and unload the train.

How much money did you make in a day? We worked 10 hours and we earned $2.50. At that time that was good money.

-8Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Everything was cheaper. And you were at home with your child? Yes, I did not work. After Ma1pa, where did you go? It wasn't Ma1pa where I worked, it was a camp named Strobol. railroad station. Barela: Guzman: Mrs. Guzman: It was a

After we finished there we moved on to another camp.

From Strobol where did you go? We went to Alpine, Texas. He was working for the highway department. We lived in large tents among the snakes. Texas. He worked two years for them. There is a lot of snakes in

Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Guzman:

Was this in Alpine, Texas? Near there. Sometimes my son and I would walk to the store, which was about a mile from where we lived and we would see a lot of snakes hanging from the trees.

Barela: Guzman:

What did you do in that job? There were about 8 or 10 men and we would clear the way for to come in. the machinery

The small trees we would cut down with axes arid for the bigger We used good equipment. Before this there

stuff we would use dynamite. weren't any roads. for the cars. Barela: Guzman:

It was not until 1925 when they started making roads

Were there other Mexicans working there? There were only five of us. All together there were about 100 men, but

all the others were of different nationalities. Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman: From there where did you go? We went to Wichita, Kansas. What type of work did you do there? We went to pick cotton. When we finished there, we went to Forth Worth



and thereI worked digging ditches and laying pipes for the gas company. Later I went to work for the Round House of the Soo Pacific Railroad.

Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Guzman:

From Whichita where did you go? To Fort1. Worth, Texas. After Fortl Worth, we came here.

What did you do at Fort 1 . Worth? I worked at the Round House. Round House. First for the gas company and then in the

Barela: Mrs. Guzman:

And from there to Minnesota? Yes, we were contracted in Fort'. Worth for the beet fields. seven years in the beets year after year. liked it and we stayed here. worked with us. We worked for

When we came to Minnesota we

Then my mother, my sister and her husband

Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Guzman: Mrs. Guzman: Guzman: Mrs. Guzman:

Where did you work the beets? Le Suer.

We worked for the same farmer for seven years.

We also worked near Chaska. This is where they take the beet and make the sugar. When they deported a lot of people, this is where they took them from. They would not give them their checks until they got on the trucks that would take them back to Mexico.


After we finished our work, the farmer that we worked for told us that they were rounding up all the Mexicans in Chaska to take them back to Mexico. All the farmers were supposed to take their people and put them He took us to Chaska to see if they would take us back. Some of

on the trucks. Mrs. Guzman:

There was an apartment or a hotel where they were all gathered.

the men where outside very angry·because they could not get their checks until the trucks came to take them. My husband went to the office and We did not know why

came back with his check and the others were angry. they gave it to him and not to the others.

We did not know what was going

-10Mrs. Guzman: Guzman: on. We did not mind going back to Mexico, because that was our country. I

carne by myself, so I thought it would be good if I could get a free ride back to Mexico. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Did you suffer a lot of hardships, while working the beets? Many. cotton. My daughter, Leonor, was just learning how to walk when we picked We did not have anyone to leave her with, so we would take her Since she did not walk one of us had to carry her

to the fields with us. all the time. on the ground.

When she fell asleep we would laid her on·his or my jacket When we worked the beets, she would follow us. She would

be up to her knees in mud. She suffered a lot with us. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Guzman:

She would fall asleep whereever she fell.

How did you get to Minnesota? We carne by train. We were contracted in Forth Worth. the same time we did. assigned to work. and other' parts. There were many people that came at

They would drop us off according to where we were

Some of them went to Minnesota, some to North Dakota We stayed at the farm for six months. We stopped

Mrs. Guzman:

You suffered when you work in the fields and have children. working the beets when we had the other children. the fields and picked onions. children were on vacation.

Later we went back to

But this was during'the summer when the

We would take all the children to work.

Barela: Mrs. Guzman:

When you carne to Minnesota you only had one daughter? No, we had two children. Forth Worth, Texas. We had Teodoro and Leonor. One was born in

Barela: Guzman: Barela:

What year did you corne to Minnesota? April 15, 1929. You did not corne to St. Paul at that time?

-11Mrs. Guzman: Yes, this is where we came. lives. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Did you live in the West Side? No, we did not. Where did you live?
On Payne Avenue.

And this is where we have been most of our

You moved around? We moved because it was a very small place. There were only three rooms We had about five

and when the other children came we did not fit. children by then. Guzman: Barela: Guzman:

We moved to Northeast which was a bigger place. We nearly froze in the winter time.

The house was in bad shape.

Did the cold come in the house? Yes. When we worked the fields, the farmers only had temporary shelter

for us. Mrs. Guzman: My son Frank, works with the migrants, Robert works in the unemployment office, my son that lives upstairs works in construction and Teodore works at the food stamp center. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Do you remember what St. Paul was like when you first came? Yes, my son Roberto and I were just talking about a little boy that drowned on Grove Street. save him and drowned. He fell in the river and his brother tried to

I remember we used to live by 12th Street, where Grove Street was

the market is, except that we lived on 13th Street. around there. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Everything is very different now.

You did not live in the Mexican community? No, we have always lived outside of the area. Did you go to church in the West Side? Yes, we went to mass there. You did not participate in any of their festivities?

-12Mrs. Guzman: Guzman: No. No we have never been involved in their activities. and that was it. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Did you know some of the families that lived in the West Side? My husband knows some of the people there. while working in the beets. These are people that we met. We would go visit

Irene Montez, her husband's name is Her sister, Gregoria, is also

Marcelino Rivera, she is my comadre. godmother to Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman:

of my other girls.

Were they already here, when you came? Yes, they were already here. They are from Colorado.

What do you recall about the church? Only what I already told you. We went to mass there and later the priest Before that the other half of the I don't know how the

bought or rented the whole place.

building where the church was, used to be a bar.

priest did it, but that was where we went to church. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Who was the priest at that time? Father Dicks. He spoke Spanish. I don't remember what happened to him. Father Ward was the

I think he died and then Fatper Ward replaced him. one that was there the longest. Guzman: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Father Jose also died. Yes, there was another priest, Father Jose. You mentioned that the church was a bar? It was a billiard and a bar. It had two floors.

He was a good priest.

We did not have a church Now there

and the priest bought it and fixed it and made it into a church. is nothing left, everything was torned down. Barela: Guzman: Mrs. Guzman: Did you participate in any of the feasts of the church? No.

One of my girls liked to dance, so I took her to a dance, but I did not

-13Mrs. Guzman: like it because there were Blacks, Indians and Anglos. If it was supposed

to be a Mexican feast there should have been only Mexicans not all the other races. If they were going to have all the others participate, it

should have been an international feast not a Mexican feast. Guzman: They were all mixed up. Mexicans. Mrs. Guzman: I told my daughter I would not take her to any of those festivities. did not like to see all that mixing. I There were more Blacks, Indians, Anglos than

I told her that in Mexico they have We

beautiful feasts and that I would rather take her to a feast there.

went for six months to Mexico and we got a chance to see all the festivities. The Mexican feasts should be celebrated by Mexicans only not by all the races. Barela: Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Did you belong to any of the organizations? No. So you did not have any Mexican friends? Only the ones that I mentioned before. You lived only with your-family? Yes, our only trips were to the church.

stayed home, looked after our

children, sent them to school, and all those things which a family should do. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Guzman: Mrs. Guzman: That is our custom.·

Did your children go to school here? Yes. What school did they attend? They went to Lincoln, Franklin, and Mechanic Arts. Were they treated fairly in school? Yes, they said they were. We have never had any conflicts with the school. The youngest one complaint a lot. The principal would often call me

-14Mrs. Guzman: because he did not like to sing and they wanted him to sing. I would run

to the school to see what was the matter and when they told me that he did not want to sing, I said that was okey, that there wasn't any way that I could make him sing either. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Guzman: All the other children had it okey at school? Yes. Did they graduate from high school? Yes, they all graduated from high school. the University of Minnesota. Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Guzman: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: He is the one that has the most education. What is his name? His name is Roberto. Only two of your children were born out of the State? My daughter and Teodoro. All the rest were born here. The youngest one graduated from

She was born in Ojinada and Teodoro was born in Forth Worth, Texas. All the others were born in Minnesota. How many children do you have? Seven of them. What are their names? Teodoro, Frank, Gregorio, Roberto, Leonor, Maureen and Dolores. And they all have good jobs? Yes, they all have their jobs. Thanks to God. Frank is director of

Migrants In Action, the oldest Teodoro works for the food stamp program and he also has a restaurant in one of the bars, but his main job is as an antique dealer. He makes good money. Gregorio works in an office

for a construction company and Roberto is waiting for a job in his field, as a probation officer, he studied psychiatry. Barela: Did the Mexican community get together for certain things?

-15Mrs. Guzman: Yes, they would have dances and meetings at the Neighborhood House, but we never took part in their activities. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: When you fi'rst came, what year was it?

What did you do for entertainment? We went to the movies. That was when we did not speak any English. It

was very hard because some of the people that spoke English would laugh and make fun of us. Guzman: Some of the Anglos would laugh at me because I did not speak English. Some were very nice, but others were not. Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: I had the same experience.


Did you have any other friends, other than Marcelino and Irene Rivera? No, they were the only ones and Mr. Jose Garcia, we also met him in the fields, the same as the Riveras, there was also Canuto and Carmen, we don't even know if they are still living. During that time Mrs. Rivera was When we first


single, her sister Gregoria was the one that was married.

came, the Riveras were the only people we knew, their's was one of the first houses I visited .1heir mother' was very nice, I had my tonsils taken out and she took care of my daughter. would cook for me and try to make me eat. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman: Do you still visit each other? It has been many years since I have visited her. What were some of the jobs that you worked at when you first came here? There were many jobs. I have done many different types of work. I could not eat, but she

Which was the first job? I dug ditches and cleaned sewers. Did you work for the city? No, I worked for a contractor. When that work was completed we started


Guzman: Barela: Guzman:

working digging the ditches for the pipes. Did you do this with a shovel? Yes. It had to be five feet deep. It was in Toronto, Texas that I first

worked with a jack hammer. Barela: Guzman: Barela: Guzman:

They are good, but they are hard on your arms.

Did you do much work with them? Yes, many jobs. Under contractors? Yes with contractors, except when I worked for the railroad then I worked directly for the company like the Soo Line or Soo Pacific under a foreman. They had their representatives that would come around to see that the work was completed.

Barela: Guzman:

When you retired, were you working for a cont'ractor? Yes, I was working with heavy machinery picking up scrap. work, but once you get used to a job it is not too hard. It was heavy I remember one

time I worked at Swift's, the packing house, I was a butcher, but I could not get the hang of the work so I quit. Barela: Guzman: So you also worked in a packing house, how long did you work there? I worked there for a couple of years. I worked in other departments. Mrs. Guzman: There are some people that started working there and never left their jobs. We know a man who has been working there ever since he came with He has a home, a new car and his wife He disposes of the waste, but he I did not like the butcher job so

his family and he is still there. goes to Texas to visit her mother.

doesn't mind smelling it all the time. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Do you still maintain some of the Mexican culture, like food? Oh, yes, how can we forget something like that I Does your family like Mexican food? Well, we eat both kinds of food. My family enjoys it.

-17Barela: Mrs. Guzman: What dishes do you prepare? The most common dishes like chicken with rice, chile con carne, sopa de arroz, sopa de fideo, green beans fried with tomatoes and garlic, enchiladas, tacos, and tortillas. I make tortillas everyday. I can serve bread to my

husband but my youngest boy will not eat unless there is tortillas. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Do all of your children speak Spanish? They all understand Spanish, but they do not speak it correctly. My two The

oldest speak it correctly, but all the others speak a broken Spanish. youngest girl can write in Spanish. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: Does your family still visit Mexico? Yes, we go to Mexico. year. Barela: Our boy that lives upstairs goes to Mexico every

We go to Acapulco.

In your life time, what has been the one thing that has influenced you the most?


My way of thinking is that everything go according to my wishes without hurting anyone and always going ahead to progress.

Barela: Guzman:

Did something happened in your life that has made you think that way? Through meditation. It has been through this that I have learned to 'get

ahead, to learn, and to respect oneself. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: What do you think has influenced you in your life? The best thing that happened to me was when I married my husband. when my life started. That was

If I hadn't married him, my life and that of my My children are also very proud

children would have been very different. of their father. Barela:

If you were to give advice to someone that has had little experience in their life, what would you tell them?


It would depend on the perosn. fail.

There are many ways to succeed and also to For example you But whether you

There are many ways of doing and understanding.

might not need it, but the money you have is a good hope.

-18Guzman: make a lot of money or not, that is something we don't know, but at least you try to make or have sufficient money to cover your expenses. Barela: Mrs. Guzman: And you, Mrs. Guzman, what type of advice would you give? Never drink or smoke, because from these can develop many difficulties. Conserve your home and your family. will always be happy. Barela: Thank you, I appreciate your cooperation for this interview. Have respect for your home and you