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M. BOVIS: But on the original to correct the mistaken date on the original, it is the 7th of January, 1988 not the 5th, it is an interview with Stella [Kain Lake] in her home on Groveland Terrace, her apartment, and present are the interviewer Maggie Bovis and her daughter Audrey Kain Lake. I think that ought to set the record straight here. [Unintelligible - 00:00:27] and her daughter, Audrey Kain Lake, is here, too. Now what we’re going to do is we’re going to give this a brief check. I just explained to Stella here, and by the way, this is 1988, let’s not forget that. What type of questions she will be getting, just a short review and we can start now. I advised her also that any language she is comfortable in will be appropriate to the taping. Okay, that would be Greek or English. Okay Thea, where did you first stay? This is from page three on the work section of the guide and I'm taking that section if the woman stayed at home and worked. And the first question is where did you first stay when you arrived in America?

S. CANELAKE: The first day?
M. BOVIS: No where did you first stay.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh with your brother?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah my brother, yeah that was my brother I was staying with my brother.
M. BOVIS: Oh very good and where was that?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: So –
M. BOVIS: Just the city.
S. CANELAKE: So we meet another [unintelligible - 00:01:41].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh I see shall I cut this out briefly? Well yeah, maybe we could still go on. Okay, so Michigan.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Who is [unintelligible - 00:02:07] with you from the very beginning.
S. CANELAKE: Oh okay, let’s see. I came from here to [unintelligible - 00:02:13].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: So Virginia, Minnesota, yeah.
M. BOVIS: Oh, so Virginia.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yes.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Did you stay with another Greek family the first day?
S. CANELAKE: No, no I stay with my sister, my sister-in-law.
M. BOVIS: Oh you stayed with your sister up there? Oh yeah, well that’s nice. And then did you get an apartment of your own or a house or what?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I don’t suppose.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: No, yeah okay. Well anyway.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: When you were married, you were with you, you came with your husband to Virginia and you stayed a little while with your sister-in-law and then you moved to your own rented home.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: Did you ever buy a home in Virginia? Did you every buy a home? Later, what is the –?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Did you always rent up there Audrey, or did you ever buy? We’re talking about where she stayed when she first came. She stayed with her sister-in-law in Virginia when she first married your father. Then she said they moved to a home which they had rented. Then I said did you every buy a home?
SPEAKER 3: [Unintelligible - 00:04:29] they bought a home.
M. BOVIS: They bought a home eventually, okay. [Unintelligible - 00:04:33] okay, that’s all we have of that one. You don’t have to worry about that, that’s fine. Yeah, that’s fine. It says here for instance yeah if it was not husband’s apartment or home, were you still expected to help in the maintenance or upkeep of that residence?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Sister-in-law.
S. CANELAKE: Sister-in-law.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Did you help with the work there?
S. CANELAKE: Yes.
M. BOVIS: Sure you did.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: While you were living at the…
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: No, not then, not during that time.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
SPEAKER 3: Sorry, I kind of think that they had separate apartments, I think that her sister-in-law was in the lower level and my mother was on the top level.
M. BOVIS: Oh I see, oh so.
SPEAKER 3: I don’t think it was a shared.
M. BOVIS: It wasn’t a shared oh and that’s the idea that I had I had before. So they lived sort of with them and then [unintelligible - 00:05:33].
SPEAKER 3: It was in one large house very big. She told me that a long time ago.
M. BOVIS: Right okay, yeah, oh, and true that’s fine. [Unintelligible - 00:05:41] let’s say for [unintelligible - 00:05:43] your husband’s apartment, were you expected to help in the maintenance or upkeep of that residence? Of course.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Silly I think though why does a woman have to stay at home?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: How did you do your shopping?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Shopping.
M. BOVIS: Oh, I see.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Later did you learn to shop by yourself?
S. CANELAKE: Well.
M. BOVIS: Sure.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah, I had to go, yeah.
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah that’s right, good point, that’s what that’s all about.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Before you did your own shopping.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: But you [unintelligible - 00:06:53] I'm sure, that’s okay. I think.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Why does a woman have to stay at home? You said because she has to do the work and because you didn’t know English. That’s fine.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: Have your ideas about a woman staying at home changed over the years?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Do think, Thea.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: For instance, see, Audrey.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Outside of it.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Well let me see, well yeah, I think so.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yes.
M. BOVIS: Yes, it’s a good idea.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Well yeah, well that’s very good.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I've heard from a lot of women, it’s good that we’re here in America.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: If we were here before.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: That’s good. Okay Thea, you feel the same way about the women, that if the women had been here.
S. CANELAKE: Yes, yes.
M. BOVIS: They would have –
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yes, doctor.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I believe it.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: You know, yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Sure and I believe that too, about you. Right, that’s very good there. [Unintelligible - 00:09:27] I'm [unintelligible - 00:09:30] this says here, if a woman is supposed to care for the home, what does that mean exactly?
[00:10:00]
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: About the same time?
S. CANELAKE: About the same time [unintelligible - 00:10:03].
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Is this mine, Audrey, this coffee?
SPEAKER 3: Uh-huh.
M. BOVIS: Thanks for the coffee Audrey, you're now important for posterity here, okay.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I see [unintelligible - 00:14:03] do you think you worked very hard younger? Harder than they work now, let's say harder than Danny works or something?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Well I don't think so.
M. BOVIS: You think about the same?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah, the same you know.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I see.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I see, okay I think that’s –
SPEAKER 3: I think you can put it more of you know.
M. BOVIS: Oh yeah I think they did too. Just the hours themselves but it really has to help [unintelligible - 00:14:45] once she said the word wasn’t that tough but what made it tough I think was the long hours.
SPEAKER 3: Long hours.
M. BOVIS: Yeah, okay. The next question, Thea.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Were there any differences in the role of a Greek woman living and caring for a home in America then for a Greek woman living back in the village?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I'm going to stop this for a minute, hon, because I think the last time that -- okay we'll continue after that phone interruption and –
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: We did, we had a little place, too, Audrey. We called it – it was [Asheka] and I thought that was a Greek word really what it was, was shack. I mean because they used to have these little tiny things to the houses with the door leading so you could have it out there in the winter, you wouldn’t need any ice, in the summer you needed ice so but they called it Asheka. When I went to Greece I said, "What is Asheka?" They said, "We don’t know." you know.
SPEAKER 3: We had a [unintelligible - 00:19:23] they had the ice box that is the one [unintelligible - 00:19:27] big chunks of ice.
M. BOVIS: Wouldn’t you have it in your window, what size ice you wanted, would it be 25 on one? Yeah, there used to be a card, you put that in the window and it said, 25 on one side, 50 on the other, 75 and 100, depending on how much ice you wanted, right. Your ice used to be delivered then huh?
SPEAKER 3: Yes.
M. BOVIS: Okay. And then yeah, [unintelligible - 00:19:49] they didn’t have refrigerators or ice boxes.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: We also did refrigeration.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: All the time.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: The most food section aid here in America, were they Greek foods?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I know you put the most part.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: What was some of your first dishes?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Cake, anytime cake?
S. CANELAKE: No.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh, pies?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh kind of [unintelligible - 00:22:29] like?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh, that’s good.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: She used to make the cake?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh, kind of chicken?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Very special.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I think that’s very good, Thea.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: They were bigger houses.
S. CANELAKE: Oh yes.
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I know.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah valences, very special valances [unintelligible - 00:24:35].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Very good, Thea. That’s fine. Now.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Was the woman expected to decorate the home in any particular fashion? If so please give some details.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Any particular style?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Okay, Thea, I think that’s fine.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Number nine, were there any women in your community who were recognized as doing an especially outstanding job of taking care of their home and family? Can you tell me some stories illustrating why these women deserved this recognition?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
SPEAKER 3: I think really she wants [unintelligible - 00:29:04] because I know a lot of those so women when they came – she was one of the earlier ones there. [Unintelligible - 00:29:11] many times that –
[CROSSTALK]
M. BOVIS: That I sort of have the idea that [unintelligible - 00:29:20].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: There you are, see?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: What is this? Show me.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
SPEAKER 3: Well I think she did – later
[00:30:00] she used the order from behind [unintelligible - 00:30:02].
M. BOVIS: Later yeah, but in the beginning when she was –
S. CANELAKE: In the beginning though, yeah.
SPEAKER 3: Let me correct that, we had Philippe, tried to [unintelligible - 00:30:11] since she was a Swedish woman that married a Greek.
M. BOVIS: I think I've met her.
SPEAKER 3: You know Mary and she learned how to speak Greek, and mother was there to help her and by the way [unintelligible - 00:30:19] she's worried [unintelligible - 00:30:21] kind of we let it go.
M. BOVIS: I think that's marvelous.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
I'm going to ask your mother again if she had met any other American women, what sort of influence she had on their life and they’ve had on her. But anyway, we'll get this tenth question out of the way. So, I think the recognition that this talks about is one that she deserved for helping other people out rather. I think we've got one of the kingpins here. But anyway, the last question that I emailed, did someone in America show you how to care for your home and family? Did you ever read anything, a book or a newspaper article about caring for your home and family, if so which ones, if not, why not?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I see.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
SPEAKER 3: I think who helped mother a lot was her brother, Joe. He was not married at that time, I think, he was very Americanized. I think he really helped her a lot.
M. BOVIS: What was Joe's Greek name?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
SPEAKER 3: [Unintelligible - 00:32:21]
S. CANELAKE: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
Joe, no, no [unintelligible - 00:32:29].
M. BOVIS: What's his name?
S. CANELAKE: Joseph.
SPEAKER 3: What was the Greek name, mama?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No, not [unintelligible - 00:32:38].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Just give you a little time
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I know.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Better late than never.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
SPEAKER 3: The fact that Joe lives with them, too. He was older than my mother but younger than her brother John.
M. BOVIS: Yeah, and John was the married –
SPEAKER 3: He was very Americanized, didn't have both of [unintelligible - 00:33:27].
M. BOVIS: Well sure by acting as translator for them they would say, we’d like to get a special kind of
SPEAKER 3: I don’t know how – what to do, I think a lot.
M. BOVIS: Yeah, so Joe was of great help, that's wonderful that's your brother-in-law now. The brother did you send
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Maybe you were very lovable?
S. CANELAKE: I don't know about that, but the
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: You know.
M. BOVIS: Audrey, are you aware that my mother had a book on the Psychology of Child Raising in Greek? I could not believe it. I don't know what I did with that. And it was done, it was translated, it was a good book on how to take care of children and what a child's psychological needs were in a very practical sense. I suppose psychologists now will find a lot wrong with it, but I was terribly impressed when I learned to read Greek and I could see what this book was.
SPEAKER 3: I don't remember but she always had this books that she used to read a lot of –
M. BOVIS: Newspapers?
SPEAKER 3: Newspapers and I think you know
[00:35:00] that they had those newspapers in Greek.
M. BOVIS: And she said there were articles in there that did help.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah, the [unintelligible - 00:35:06] that you know.
M. BOVIS: How about the –?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Every morning she used to take the calendar. The little thing off the calendar, read on the back either a joke or a recipe or something about the [unintelligible - 00:35:34].
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: I remember that. Okay now, I think we are almost-- no, no we've got about 10 minutes left on this other tape here. I'm going to stop both. Okay Audrey, you just said and we really should have this done, that your dad was a great reader?
SPEAKER 3: My dad used to get three papers a day, he would keep the Greek paper which he read, he would get the Louisville Tribune and he would also get the Virginia paper.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah, for sure.
SPEAKER 3: Those were the three papers that he got. On Sundays he got the News Sunday paper, he also got the Minneapolis Sunday.
M. BOVIS: Well you know –
SPEAKER 3: There are papers that he had in English, and to also to be in English, in my sense he took out the English papers and read them also or I can read the Greek paper. She did very hard, she does like to read English.
M. BOVIS: Yeah, my mother could do a little bit of that, not very much but she could see that their letters were similar and would, you know-- no single word, she couldn't read sentences, I don't think, but you know, Audrey when I was taking class from [unintelligible - 00:36:39] he said that the Jews are considered people of the book, you know, the book being the bible that he-- but I mean there were great leaders and all. He said, "The Greeks if they can be labeled anything at all, are the people of the newspaper." And my father was the same way. He also was the-- okay now we will turn this off just yeah. Well now, Thea I gave you a little rundown on what questions I was going to ask about religion.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Roxanne
M. BOVIS: Roxanne, very good. I knew you would remember her so.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Tell me.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Don't overdo – okay yeah, normal. So Thea, you – when you came to the United States…
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I just want to tell.
S. CANELAKE: No, no.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Did you miss church?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Let's wait a minute – well that's right.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
SPEAKER 3: Hello, are you down there? I will dial for you to come in, and it will come to third floor.
M. BOVIS: 309
SPEAKER 3: 309.
M. BOVIS: Okay Thea.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No, no.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: That's wonderful, Thea.
[00:40:00]
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: So anything…
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No I don’t think so.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I see.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No, no.
M. BOVIS: No? All right.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: That’s okay.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: [Titina].
M. BOVIS: Oh yeah, Titina?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Okay.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Let's see.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: No kidding?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Sure?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: We don’t have too much to go on here.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah that’s all right.
M. BOVIS: Just a minute, here let's try this – let me add that this is the end of side A on January 7th ,1988, interview with Stella Kain Lake by Maggie [unintelligible - 00:44:28] her daughter Audrey is here off and on. That’s it we're going to turn this over now.

S. CANELAKE: He learns, yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: What about [unintelligible - 00:00:50]?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: So, you liked America from the beginning
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: That's very good, [unintelligible - 00:02:09] was a good place.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: Yeah. So, you didn’t – Napoli you didn’t – your son homesick for a long time, nothing like that?
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: Not really.
S. CANELAKE: No really, no.
M. BOVIS: Not really.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Right.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Very good thinking, Thea.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: That’s right.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: That’s very good, yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Sure [unintelligible - 00:04:29] that’s only right.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh, yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: So Thea…
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Really?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: That’s beautiful, Thea. [Unintelligible - 00:06:00] oh yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Well, let’s see. Is appropriate [unintelligible - 00:06:46].
M. BOVIS: Still Virginia?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: Still Virginia…
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: That’s good.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Right.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: So, that was it?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: It was the only time [unintelligible - 00:09:18].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah?
[00:10:00]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah, yeah [unintelligible - 00:10:02] yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: You know.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: You know.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Oh yeah.
M. BOVIS: So Virginia…
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] he comes from Virginia [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]. So he puts the candy store.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: No, no, no. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] store Virginia.
S. CANELAKE: Oh yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] yeah.
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
S. CANELAKE: Well [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] yeah he is a [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] if I may ask.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh Alicia, shoe store, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh, sweet shop.
S. CANELAKE: Sweet shop?
M. BOVIS: Sweet shops, bookshops or shoe shops.
S. CANELAKE: Shoe shops.
M. BOVIS: Restaurant?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah, restaurant, yeah – yeah, restaurant.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Well –
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I may not be right.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yes.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: So anyway [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] from Virginia [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Martha Boosalis after Virginia?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No, oh no.
M. BOVIS: No?
S. CANELAKE: No, let’s – well, no.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh yeah, that’s right.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Let’s see.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
S. CANELAKE: No.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I see.
S. CANELAKE: No it wasn’t Martha.
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Are people in Virginia, some names
S. CANELAKE: Some name
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Oh.
M. BOVIS: Or Andres [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] physical.
S. CANELAKE: Oh [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] physical [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh I see; that’s good.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: Then it get kind of [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] kind of [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]? No.
S. CANELAKE: No, no.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: No professionals.
S. CANELAKE: No professionals.
M. BOVIS: He’s a mono business man.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Business man, yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I see.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Stella?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Stella?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Stella?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: So Virginia…
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
S. CANELAKE: Oh yeah. Stella.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: So Virginia.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: So Virginia?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Right.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah. Okay.
M. BOVIS: Peter?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Stella [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
[00:15:00]
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Stella. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: Beautiful girl.
S. CANELAKE: Beautiful girl.
M. BOVIS: That’s fine with me.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah, yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
M. BOVIS: Yep.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: Well anyway, Yvonne I think [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] most of the questions that we got and [unintelligible - 00:15:29] what was your work schedule, did you have a rush time after –
S. CANELAKE: I don’t know.
M. BOVIS: Just [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] record [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] Virginia?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] album you know.
M. BOVIS: Album, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] album.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] of the family business [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: That’s good.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: So –
S. CANELAKE: Well, like you know, there’s [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] you know, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah, people [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] disappear.
S. CANELAKE: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Thank you. Okay [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Right.
S. CANELAKE: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Okay [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] insurance [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Oh yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Oh yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah right. You know, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: No, no [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] yeah.
M. BOVIS: Yeah, that was very good. So
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: That’s very good.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] oh yeah.
M. BOVIS: Now that’s very good.
S. CANELAKE: No [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
M. BOVIS: Very thoughtful.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah, very thoughtful [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
S. CANELAKE: You know.
M. BOVIS: So [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
M. BOVIS: Yeah that’s right. Okay well I’m just perusing these, I don’t see anything else that we would have here [unintelligible - 00:18:12] something during the day. Okay [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] vacation? He says I’m really [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] like or [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]. West, east or east [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: No.
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: Yeah. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Oh [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] yeah no, no, yeah.
M. BOVIS: Okay.
S. CANELAKE: No, maybe in a [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
M. BOVIS: Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] or anything like that? [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No, no [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
M. BOVIS: Alright. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] special times [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] also [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] time [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] and things like that. He [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: I don’t know.
M. BOVIS: No? No special time.
S. CANELAKE: No special yeah so
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] education?
S. CANELAKE: No, no [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] very healthy yeah.
M. BOVIS: Very healthy [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: Very healthy [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
M. BOVIS: Yeah, yet the [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] very healthy. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Very healthy. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] yeah checkups?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: No?
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] vaccinations?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] you know.
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M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] yeah.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
S. CANELAKE: So, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Let’s see [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: Okay, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] happened?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Paul, no, nothing?
M. BOVIS: Paul, no.
S. CANELAKE: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] his vitamins? [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: No, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: No. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
SPEAKER1: Yeah.
S. CANELAKE: Thrice?
M. BOVIS: Yes, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
SPEAKER1: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
SPEAKER1: Yeah, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE], you know.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
S. CANELAKE: Cool, very good, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]. Oh, that’s good. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE], yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: Yeah, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah, no.
S. CANELAKE: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]. Question is, oh [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]. This is on page two cycles and the question is, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
M. BOVIS: No, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Who [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]?
M. BOVIS: Well, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: No problem?
M. BOVIS: No problem. No, no.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Well…
S. CANELAKE: About six months?
M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE], you know [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
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S. CANELAKE: Yeah, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]?
M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE], you know.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: No, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]. No.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE], let’s say [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] congratulate you. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yes, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: No, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: Yeah, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
M. BOVIS: In both the census and virtual practices in health care, what was the special care for the mother?
S. CANELAKE: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]. All I see, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] practices, right?
M. BOVIS: Let’s see, no [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE], yeah.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: No, no. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: You [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]. It…?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
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S. CANELAKE: Strange [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] practices.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Okay, was there any special food connected – this is on the birth now [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: No, you don’t remember anything like that? Okay. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE], what were the special blessings during pregnancy? [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No, no.
M. BOVIS: Okay, what was the special – I don’t know what they’re after there. Number five, after the birth of child before the actual baptism, are there any special spiritual rituals that the mother and child must go through? So [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Oh, yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
M. BOVIS: I see.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE], oh yeah. Yeah.
M. BOVIS: That’s very good to know.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] you know…
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]. Yeah [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh yeah. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]. Is there any special roles or activities that the father or husband must attend to during the pregnancy or the preparation of birth? [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
M. BOVIS: Okay. [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No, I don’t know.
M. BOVIS: No, you don’t know any? [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh, well [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: No, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
S. CANELAKE: No, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
M. BOVIS: Yeah. I see, I see. So Jackie [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Okay, okay we’re going to resume here and we are just going to finish out. I think we have about more than about 15 minutes and I’m going to ask Thea a jumble of questions from the section on marriage, three, page three of the lifecycle on marriage. And we’ll start with the differences between setting up marriages in the village and here in America, and was there a matchmaker and that sort of thing. Okay, [FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Okay so
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: You still didn’t date.
S. CANELAKE: No, no, no, no.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No, no.
M. BOVIS: Okay.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Today I was in a different [unintelligible - 00:31:29] right?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah today [unintelligible - 00:31:31].
M. BOVIS: [FOREIGN LANGUAGE] when they want to get married they fall in love, right?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: They fall in love, right?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: You’ve done okay?
SPEAKER 2 Yeah I’ve done okay.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Absolutely, okay. That’s a formal exchange of letters between the Boosalis. You didn’t have to do that because you met him right here from your brothers. How did the institution of future brides [unintelligible 00:35:51] traditional gifts?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: No, don’t worry about that.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Oh that’s nice. So…
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: No?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
S. CANELAKE: No, no.
M. BOVIS: Okay. What was considered the marriage [unintelligible - 00:36:56]?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: The earlier the better, right?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I know about that, okay.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: First of all, what city did you get married in?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: That’s alright, it’s not that critical anyway.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: So after Michigan?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: So the day of your wedding, I’m kind of [unintelligible - 00:38:40] anything special?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: St. Teresa’s?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: You’re kidding. What was his first name?
S. CANELAKE: Nick Santrisas.
M. BOVIS: Nick Santrisas.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: So [unintelligible - 00:39:26] I didn’t know her name was [unintelligible - 00:39:27] and I thought you were the oldest.
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: Alright after he got [unintelligible - 00:39:36] did you?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: [Unintelligible - 00:39:48] for Minneapolis any time?
S. CANELAKE: No.
M. BOVIS: Not as much as Duluth?
S. CANELAKE: No Duluth, no.
M. BOVIS: Oh I see.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah I know, I know.
[OFF MIC CONVERSATION]
M. BOVIS: What else could you do?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah, yeah.
M. BOVIS: That’s right.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: That’s right.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: What else could you do?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah, yeah.
M. BOVIS: It’s that or nothing. I understand that, Thea.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: So [unintelligible - 00:40:51].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Or was he ever home sick?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Did he feel the same as you?
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
SPEAKER 3: He never wanted to go back.
M. BOVIS: Yeah
[CROSS TALK]
M. BOVIS: Yeah your mother seems that way, too. Like my mother was pathologically homesick and your mother –
SPEAKER 3: Never was like she never wanted to go back and never talked about going back. He never talked about the old country.
M. BOVIS: Yeah.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
M. BOVIS: He had made a new life here for himself.
S. CANELAKE: Yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
SPEAKER 3: Yes he did.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: Yeah that’s a tricky term, sort of an interpreter. Oh very good. Oh I’m surprised; I see that’s the retention of jargon. Very good, Thea, you remember even more than I do. Don’t complain to me. So yeah see in my family life is different, we constantly lived with Greece hovering. So that’s…
SPEAKER 3: We never [unintelligible - 00:42:39] a life that he [unintelligible - 00:42:44].
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: I know, I know that’s [unintelligible - 00:42:50].
S. CANELAKE: Yeah, yeah.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
M. BOVIS: So that’s the Greekiest part here?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
SPEAKER 3: Yeah but that was –
M. BOVIS: Yeah well I – the name [unintelligible - 00:45:18] and then she went back and she told me that they had come here.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
SPEAKER 3: [Unintelligible - 00:45:29] for many years.
M. BOVIS: Oh the Greeks had been there from almost antiquity, from antiquity. And when the Turks came in and the Ottoman Empire and all that they subjugated the Greeks and they used the Greek [unintelligible - 00:45:45] and everything, they used them as interpreters. And see, the Muslims were not allowed to deal too much. Well anyway that’s alright and this will go off now too, I’m sure unless this one was going faster. That’s strange. Okay well this is the end of side B, January 7th 1988 interview with Stella Kain Lake and unfortunately our time is over, bye. And that’s what we’re going to send in. This will go off in a second. So we got – they said to put this identification at the beginning and at the end. So this will be the marking [unintelligible - 00:46:28] tape right over here because of that.