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A. SPELIOPOULOS: My name is Penelope. I am at the home of Anna [Legeros]. Okay, your name?
A. LEGEROS: Anna Legeros.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Sorry. And your date and place of birth?
A. LEGEROS: I was born in [unintelligible - 00:00:23].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: February the 23rd, 1902.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay. And that is the south of the city of Sparta, right?
A. LEGEROS: 15 minutes from Sparta.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay. What was your maiden name?
A. LEGEROS: Anna Lugares.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay and you are widowed?
A. LEGEROS: At the present time.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: And your husband’s name was?
A. LEGEROS: Chris Lugares.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Your father’s name? Remember your father?
A. LEGEROS: George [Roderos]
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay. You don’t know when he was born by chance?
A. LEGEROS: I only know when my husband was born.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay, alright. How about your father’s place of birth, same place?
A. LEGEROS: I suppose, yes.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay. And what did your father do for a living?
A. LEGEROS: He was a merchant. He was a merchant, he did olives and he did wines and then for seven years, his wine turned into sour, so then he was obliged to sell my mother’s dowry, the home that she had put dowry, sold that and come to America in the winter. My dad had come ahead of time and then he was there for a while, and established himself in business. There was a small place, that’s where I used to come and do my homework when I come from school, do my homework and go back to school. We lived around the area but they always got three little girls, my sister was nine, I was seven, and my sister was four.

So she had a living headquarters, had to be within the area where she could go to store for lunch and then go back to school, come back so she could watch her three little girls. So it was convenient for her, but we had a lovely life, very nice life because we had big churches. In the neighborhood there was only one church [unintelligible - 00:02:27] the minister came to visit my mother, and my mother asked the minister if she could send her children to a church nearby. My mother was very religious, and he said no, we couldn’t join another church, and I remember at the time, this is way back 70 years ago , they used to wear this big [unintelligible - 00:02:55] and those big black robes, he was a monster. I lived close by to him you know. I knew he was a Godly man. I went by closer and closer and I touched his gown then I felt the Holy Spirit touched me. So you see – you know God picks His own there. I think He picked me there and I think He blessed me because I had – see, my mother was a religious woman and she talked about this God and that’s why we went to Mrs. Chapman here, we had no Sunday school, we had nothing, and I wanted to know who this God is and the first opportunity that came to us were about six Greek women at the time, this is [unintelligible - 00:03:48] I don’t remember Mrs. [unintelligible - 00:03:51] and this Mrs. Chapman was with the Visionary Alliance Church. Her husband was a minister, but she really ministered the people. He had the title but she was the one who helped in those difficult years. We used to meet at different homes. She was the one who started us with the Bible, until we organized, now we have a beautiful [unintelligible - 00:04:21] unlike his wife. They just don’t make them anymore. So then, now we’ve got our Bible class and we’re happy. I am so glad that church accomplished that because we need it.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah, absolutely, very much so. Very good, okay. Did your father happen to have a nickname? Did they have a nickname for him?
A. LEGEROS: No they only had a nickname for the place of business, they used to call it [unintelligible - 00:04:54] was a Turkish battleship four years back
[00:05:00] and because the place was so small, you don’t get four tables, that’s where we did our homework. And because we don’t have four tables and it was so small they named it [unintelligible - 00:05:10] the name of the battleship and that’s what they called it.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Isn’t that cute? Now, was your mother born in the same place?
A. LEGEROS: No, my mother was born in –
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay your mother was born in Crete.
A. LEGEROS: Crete.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay, so where is that close to?
A. LEGEROS: It was the closest port.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: I remember she said she was from there.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay and are both your parents buried here in…
A. LEGEROS: Minneapolis.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Both of your parents?
A. LEGEROS: Uh-huh.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay, were buried here in Minneapolis?
A. LEGEROS: Yes, yes.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: You brought them over?
A. LEGEROS: You see we had friends. We had some boys who had no parents and when they met mother and my father, they used to work at the club. After the club, they’d come and visit mother and of course they were first boys that put our Christmas stockings. I was, as I said, I was seven, my sister was four, and my other sister was nine. So they came to the house and put red stockings and filled it. These were the Andrews boys and then they moved to Duluth, and we were the reasons that they came to Minneapolis. Our relatives were all in New York, our relatives were all in New York, a doctor in New York, but my brother came to Minneapolis because his friends came here, they had an uncle here who had [unintelligible - 00:06:41].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: And they came in order to buy I think and they didn’t get together in business. At the time my father had four businesses with different partners in New York. He was a good businessman. And my brother and mother were lonesome. Mother was terribly lonesome. So this café was for sale, my brother wrote ahead, he said pop, daddy sell the places and come out here because my brother had gotten a job here. So that’s what my father did, sold all these four different places with a cousin of ours, different other partners and they bought these companies, and then my brother was married and my father wasn’t able to work and neither was my mother.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Great, okay. Name your brothers and sisters?
A. LEGEROS: One was called Gus, his real name was [Gostadinos]. My sister was Bertha [unintelligible - 00:07:46] Anna, Anna is my sister.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: [Unintelligible - 00:07:52] okay. Do you remember your grandparents where they were born at all?
A. LEGEROS: My father was born in [unintelligible - 00:08:01].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: My mother in Crete.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: But how about their parents, were they born in the same villages?
A. LEGEROS: I believe so.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay. Do you remember if you had a Nonno and Nonna?
A. LEGEROS: No.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay, and give me the place and the date of your marriage.
A. LEGEROS: November 5th, 1922.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Alright, 1922. And where were you married? Here in Minneapolis?
A. LEGEROS: In Minneapolis. Here in Minneapolis.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay. Was your marriage arranged at all? Did somebody arrange your marriage or anything?
A. LEGEROS: I would say, although my husband showed interest, but he didn’t dare come around you know, but – oh, let’s see, I was a bridesmaid and he was a [unintelligible - 00:08:54] and the groom didn’t develop the pictures that we were in, so he went ahead and developed his pictures and he came [unintelligible - 00:09:11] I was working, I was a cashier, I was waiting a table, and he asked for a cup of coffee and then he proceeded to show me his pictures. And I was so happy and he gave me them and I thanked him; I said “Oh this is so nice of you.” He was old-fashioned, patriarch Greek. He knocked on the cash register, he says [unintelligible - 00:09:45].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: He took your place?
A. LEGEROS: Yeah, [unintelligible - 00:09:51] you know that was only – I mean then did it happen
[00:10:00] there was a – Mr. [unintelligible - 00:10:09] died. At that time I didn’t know but he told me and he had a car and he was going to take us driving and somebody had told him that this [unintelligible - 00:10:22] was like me very much, but at the time he wasn’t in business. And it just happened then he -- they told my cousin Nick, and then he approached my husband because inside he loved me, but I think he -- now he was interested in me and he opened a business, but I must tell you this, this is real nice, this is very cute but my sister got [unintelligible - 00:11:05], my sister [unintelligible - 00:11:06]. He got up at the wedding and you may not remember this specific [unintelligible - 00:11:19] at the time we all know [unintelligible - 00:11:20] and during that I was so indebted to this man, this is at the Baptist, this is at the Baptist. I'm so indebted to this man because he [unintelligible - 00:11:35] the party [unintelligible - 00:11:37].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: You can speak Greek if you like. We understand Greek.
A. LEGEROS: Yes, you could call this man, then I got on my knees and said – and I liked the name, there was no [unintelligible - 00:12:01] and I said “Dear God, give this man a business, and I didn’t want just any business, I want a big business. And do you know – do you remember the [unintelligible - 00:12:18]?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah, that's [unintelligible - 00:12:18].
A. LEGEROS: The only thing that wasn’t in the [unintelligible - 00:12:23] but was in their mind picture, that was the kind of a place I dreamed as a girl only the staircases you'll see.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Oh.
A. LEGEROS: I had pictured a staircase. He was only a waiter at the time, just a waiter. But I was so indebted to him because he saved this – it was right after the war, they started [unintelligible - 00:12:48] and it so happened he came. They matched people, matched us together and we made arrangements, we got together. He said are you being forced to listen [unintelligible - 00:13:06] because he was a little Americanized [unintelligible - 00:13:11]. I said no, I wasn’t forced. I was so ashamed [unintelligible - 00:13:17] you know I still got [unintelligible - 00:13:21]. And then [unintelligible - 00:13:24] told me that – this was terrible – they knew I was pressured and I remember at the time that he said “Do you know, in our part of the world, the bride gets on a horse and they go to town [unintelligible - 00:13:43], typical [unintelligible - 00:13:45] to go, he was just teasing me. I got cold feet like “Oh my God, I could never do that, I could never do that. I’ll marry you but I could never do that.” I remember when he used to take me out and my father wanted me home to keep out in a way. And my sister [unintelligible - 00:14:09] poor fellow, he worked until 9:00. By the time we got started, you know, my father, he old school. So after what I – my mother just to by the time we got -- in the meantime we bought a car, oh we bought a car. So then that was nice, I liked that. So then he’d come and pick me up. Of course my little sister in the back, always look forward to chaperon. [Unintelligible - 00:14:48] months too later you know we – two months of engagement [unintelligible - 00:14:53].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Was there a dowry or a prikka?
A. LEGEROS: No.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: No, okay.
A. LEGEROS: Nothing.
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A. SPELIOPOULOS: It was love at first sight then?
A. LEGEROS: I don’t think they stopped the dowry.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay, tell me your husband’s name, his place of birth and his date of birth.
A. LEGEROS: I only know it’s 1889.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: That’s about it.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: And he was born where?
A. LEGEROS: [Unintelligible - 00:15:21], it was in rural [unintelligible - 00:15:23].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: It’s a small village, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. But you know, when I went to Greece, in that village there were no accommodations, no running water, it’s terrible. I was very thirsty. The minute you enter Sparta and we stayed in the [Menelaum] that had all the conveniences, all the mosquitoes got after me and I was in bed for 10 days, I was just bedridden. See that village evidently was up on a mountain. No conveniences at all, but the air [unintelligible - 00:16:03] the minute I got to Sparta which was civilized and nice and nice Menelaum, 10 days in Sparta I was in bed for 10 days.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Oh, goodness. Did your husband have a nickname, there was a nickname?
A. LEGEROS: [Unintelligible - 00:16:17] this was [unintelligible - 00:16:22]. Did you ever hear of the -- he used to play golf here.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Had he?
A. LEGEROS: Yeah, he played. This was the first year we came to Minneapolis [unintelligible - 00:16:35] I still have pictures.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: I’d love to see those -- some of that.
A. LEGEROS: Oh gosh, I wish I would [unintelligible - 00:16:49] I would [unintelligible - 00:16:50].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: [Unintelligible - 00:16:50]. Who was the [unintelligible - 00:16:52], do you remember?
A. LEGEROS: He was not a friend but a friend who baptized, that’s customary, that’s customary. You see the one who baptizes you through the family so they can go to Chicago, go to Milwaukee, came to Minneapolis.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay. Do you remember – is your father-in-law’s village the same place where your husband was born, do you remember that?
A. LEGEROS: But my father-in-law worked for the government. They were two brothers, and they worked for the government, I think in forestry.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: [Unintelligible - 00:17:38] because I visited that home.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: All right, good. Okay, now tell me the name of your children if you can and the date they were born.
A. LEGEROS: I’ll start with Elaine. Elaine was born December the 3rd, 1923. George was born February.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Well that's all right.
A. LEGEROS: 25.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: 25, okay. This is also I have this written down and the [unintelligible - 00:18:11] gave it to us so okay.
A. LEGEROS: 25, 29 [unintelligible - 00:18:16].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay, so you’ve four children?
A. LEGEROS: One girl and three boys.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay, and that time could you remember your dad -- your children’s godparents?
A. LEGEROS: Elaine’s, yeah. Elaine’s godparents. Oh, he was I believe he was a bachelor that’s all I know about him. He was a bachelor and he left right after he baptized Elaine, so he lost – he visit once and we lost track of it. And then George’s was – he was an insurance man, Kamalaris, Gus Kamalaris. And John’s was Mrs. Ginakopolos, you know, who had this building that – and Kostandino’s was Mrs. Chandler. They were at the Curtis Hotel, they owned a coffee shop at the Curtis Hotel.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay, do you remember the date that you arrived in the United States and the boat that you came in?
A. LEGEROS: The boat was Patrice.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: 1909or 1910. I remember a place and we were [unintelligible - 00:19:40] my sister [unintelligible - 00:19:44] said 1910 but could be 1909 we arrived in the [unintelligible - 00:19:48] in 1910.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Good, okay. When you arrived in the United States, did you use the name Severez when you came in?
A. LEGEROS: No, they changed it at the [unintelligible - 00:19:58] forest.
[00:20:00]
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: And when I went to school, we went to perfect school number 11 in New York. And it was [unintelligible - 00:20:07] and then when we came to Minneapolis, for some reason, when I got my citizenship at this point, I couldn’t tell you, well – when, it took place. Then they – I remember when – we’ll make it if this way it’s easier.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: So it was Florist during school but you see in Brooklyn, you forget F-L-O-R-I-S-T – and –
A. SPELIOPOULOS: And then how far in school did you go?
A. LEGEROS: What I tell you my – we stopped early because my sister was you know, [unintelligible - 00:20:45] yeah. But then I went to West high school here.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Oh he did, oh my God.
[CROSSTALK]
A. LEGEROS: I went to school, West high school and then I went to vacation for public speaking. I do – I wanted to pursue my – I was in another group helping with the children. My husband is working and West high school was just half a block down. So I’d go out and have dinner with my husband. And he’d come home perhaps the rest would go to meet at the end – meeting at the in the night. I’d go to West high school, I took English, I took history, I took – so basically, what I missed out in New York. I got here.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: Those schools. I’ve been to vacation and I’ve been to West high but mostly to West high.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Alright.
A. LEGEROS: Yeah.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Great. Okay.
A. LEGEROS: Mr. Wertheridge was the first president and his wife was also there and [unintelligible - 00:21:49] great [unintelligible - 00:21:50] church and because I wasn’t familiar, this was probably 60 70 years ago. And he says, “You can do Mrs. Lugares, you can do it. [Unintelligible - 00:21:59] frightened. They were frightened, too. There was a Negro among them. She was shaking. I said, “I was frightened to come but my minister said, ‘Mrs. Lugares you can do it. It’s for the church.’ I just had to.” And that’s how I got with Mrs. Ramsley, look at the hard times that hit Mrs. Ramsley, look at the years I helped her. She was a difficult person.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Good.
A. LEGEROS: A person who didn’t relax.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes. And Mrs. Ramsley’s the one that brought the hard patients from Greece, and she brought over – I can’t remember how many do we count from up there?
A. LEGEROS: Were many.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Many.
A. LEGEROS: The school was the first one. The school – and she brought many, many, many more.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: And she paid all the expenses isn’t it?
A. LEGEROS: Yes, she did. She paid all the expenses but I know that she didn’t pay – she didn’t pay on her own.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: She didn’t.
A. LEGEROS: I don’t think so, because I remember one Christmas she says you know, she lost his shelter, she lost her car then I had to pick her up, 5:00, 6:00. This is what the [unintelligible - 00:23:08] he was a good religious man, a good man. He says, “We can’t give them money, but you take the car and I’ll take the little car. He gave me the little car that he used to go to the little market with. So I took the car and would pick her up because her [unintelligible - 00:23:25] anything with he just blinded her.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Right, yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Then she’d sleep all day, then she said, “Mrs. Lugares pick me up in such and such a time. Mrs. Lugares pick me up such a time.” But she needed a pull [unintelligible - 00:23:37] when we went to the airport to pick up these children, because of the Japanese, there were Chinese they were Pakistanis. I’ve got a lot of – from one of these girls that I’ve housed here.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes.
A. LEGEROS: I housed them right here and I remember one said to me, “The boy is cooking [unintelligible - 00:23:56]. “Mrs. Lugares, how is it that you can trust to leave your boys [unintelligible - 00:24:04] here? ” I said, “Aren’t you [unintelligible - 00:24:08] from the university of Minnesota, because I – and then that we get international students. He said, “We’re the council of churches.”
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: I got mixed up with [unintelligible - 00:24:16] houses and foreign students. England, Scotland, Pakistanian, Iranians and I’ve housed them here. And then the next day I would take them to the American federal service, you know what that is? And then they would find a home for them, apartment. Then I would drive them to their apartment and I would leave them there. And then, they [unintelligible - 00:24:42] were vegetarians.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: My husband [unintelligible - 00:24:47] at their time. Lucky we had the restaurant. I never could have done it.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes.
A. LEGEROS: You know, take charge, let them sleep here and cook for them, watching them from the restaurant. But then after you do it so many years, -- my husband was tired. He said,
[00:25:00] “Anna, I’ve done enough, you’ve done enough. We can’t do any more.”
And you did get tired. You know, the driving, the driving there. And that’s how we – he we eased up slowly. But, yeah, towards the end of our days when he was getting kind of old, too. But then it was good because it doesn’t bother me now. See now, I can’t visit the sick, I can’t dance. . And I had an excuse that Anna, you did it, don’t expect too much of it.” Otherwise this conscience of mine, it bothers me.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: And you’ve done an awful lot, I guess.
A. LEGEROS: And yes, so it doesn’t bother and that’s – Anna, you did it, now I can’t – I can’t even go to see my friends now. If I go to – if I can go to church and attend my Bible classes, I’m the happiest person.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: That’s all I want. Bible class and my children, my family.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: And we’ve 40 grandchildren and nine great grand children.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Marvelous, yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Yeah it’s a big family.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: We got a baptism we have a very you know, Christopher was here from Washington.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes.
A. LEGEROS: It was so nice to see him here and I think it’s a good example. Good example. Because I noticed my children they watch – I know someone that don’t come to church, they come to church now.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes, yeah.
A. LEGEROS: And I tell them – I said listen here, “If you don’t stop [unintelligible - 00:26:33] husband? And even attended church to a hospital, now of course she comes to church, every Sunday whenever she can.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: And I noticed the little girl which – as she comes down the aisle when she receives communion, convenient to the [unintelligible - 00:26:52]. Because the priest [unintelligible - 00:26:55]. And new Greek [unintelligible - 00:26:57] you know we can’t live without a church.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: No absolutely.
A. LEGEROS: We cannot live without a church. If that – and it’s a wonderful thing because it binds us together. We need it. I need you, and you need me. There’s a time we – whether it’s a prayer and fast, whether it’s a funeral, or whether its – we need each other, a moral support, honey.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah, absolutely.
A. LEGEROS: Yes, I know if I that I can call on – not that I know you…
A. SPELIOPOULOS: [Unintelligible - 00:27:22]
A. LEGEROS: I didn’t know who you were.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: You could call me and I would be certainly glad to come by and go to church with you.
A. LEGEROS: Yeah, it makes it so nice.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Because we need it.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes.
A. LEGEROS: In case of money.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: No, it’s the moral support.
A. LEGEROS: This heart is pretty antique. I know sometimes I go upstairs and I go “Anna, what’s wrong with you? I haven’t prayed. Go upstairs and then [unintelligible - 00:27:42]. And [unintelligible - 00:27:48] you know, I’ve [unintelligible - 00:27:49] a lot of candle, you know say our prayers to the Lord and the Holy Spirit, and my grandchildren now. Who would [unintelligible - 00:27:58] was going as a nurse now. “Granny, will you please light a candle and say a prayer? I’m having a test today.” Well I’ll call on different no [Becka] who is in Boston now. She married this professor. And she’s expecting [unintelligible - 00:28:16]. “Granny, don’t forget to light to light a candle for me.” So the – and it’s a good example for them to know that we depend on the Lord.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah, absolutely.
A. LEGEROS: And the Lord is a jealous God, he needs – wants us. He wants us. I know I can – I feel that when I’m not close to God, I didn’t go to church last Sunday, kind of a storm, and I said, “Oh Lord make it [unintelligible - 00:28:42].” I was afraid to drive all that way. Good job did you think I can make it? And I [unintelligible - 00:28:46]. It’s the upbringing I have, the upbringing. My mother was a very simple woman, good woman.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Good woman well –
A. LEGEROS: You don’t tell but it’s – don’t make them [unintelligible - 00:29:02].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: And I think that’s why that looks a little.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Absolutely.
A. LEGEROS: And I think our children and like – look at my children. Johnny lives with me, he doesn’t go to our church but every Sunday he goes to this nice church downtown; because his wife was in the choir then actually. I don’t – Jason goes to church, I don’t care where he goes.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Just so he goes to church.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: No matter what’s going on, [unintelligible - 00:29:31] so it’s –
A. SPELIOPOULOS: But tell me, Elaine had how many children?
A. LEGEROS: Four.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Four?
A. LEGEROS: Yeah that’s right.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: You know the names?
A. LEGEROS: She couldn’t [unintelligible - 00:29:46]. And the course [unintelligible - 00:29:48] who is in New York.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay. And George has?
A. LEGEROS: Three.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: You know he knows.
[00:30:00]
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah. Christopher and the second is Nicholas [unintelligible - 00:30:05]. And then they had a -- their brother died. The brother died, I remember that none of them [unintelligible - 00:30:12].
A. LEGEROS: You remember that?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes [unintelligible - 00:30:13] because I was teaching over at [unintelligible - 00:30:15] at the time and I brought the article to school with me to tell the boys and girls that because he was driving by a garbage truck right? And that’s when he put the [unintelligible - 00:30:23] so [unintelligible - 00:30:24] yeah okay.
A. LEGEROS: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: And then [unintelligible - 00:30:27] had –
A. LEGEROS: Do you still go to school?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: I teach, yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Oh you teach? You know when you said just teach, I said this girl looks -- when you’re at the school I thought, well she must be about 15, 16, or 18 years old, but you teach.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: I teach, yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Where?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: I teach over at Anderson contemporary right across from [unintelligible - 00:30:44] hospital. I’m a fourth grade teacher there.
A. LEGEROS: Oh that’s my hospital.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Cool, good.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: So now that you met John, John has how many children? Three?
A. LEGEROS: Three.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: What are their names?
A. LEGEROS: Michael John, Lisa and Timothy.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay. And then, your young son is called – what is it?
A. LEGEROS: Kostadinos.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay. And he has –
A. LEGEROS: He has four.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: You want the names of the children? The first one is [unintelligible - 00:31:16] Annie.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: John is the oldest one and then Annie, and then Tommy, and who is that other one? Tommy and –
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Well you talked about your education; did you work at the restaurant at all when you were in –?
A. LEGEROS: No.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: No.
A. LEGEROS: No I offered when things were very, very bad, when they were losing money. I offered, I did because, he said, “No, you have enough.” That’s the time that I had let the girl go and he had to do the ironing and he wore a clean shirt every day, and he wasn’t satisfied when the girl did the shirts. I would iron all his shirts once again, and I had to let the girl go and then – oh, this is [unintelligible - 00:32:14] that I did. I asked him if he would pay me the money that I paid the girl. I paid the girl $25, we started with 15 and then up 25. He said well you can’t do the work, I said, “Chris I’ll do the work if you can give me the $25 [unintelligible - 00:32:36] and he was giving me the $25. And that $25 and the children’s money – those years they never gave gifts, they’d give gold purses. And when we’re able, couldn’t make it [unintelligible - 00:32:52] really, closest we had come and then we did not have enough money and [unintelligible - 00:32:57] everyone gave him the last money because he was a [unintelligible - 00:33:01] I’m talking [unintelligible - 00:33:03] from across the street was a garage and I said, well, he could [unintelligible - 00:33:11] that money [unintelligible - 00:33:11] and I took out $5,000. I didn’t know enough to put it in the bank. Do you know where I hid it? You know my house has a [unintelligible - 00:33:20] upstairs in the back of Jesus. I went upstairs, came down and found the money that that he’d given me; I would do without a girl. As long as I was getting the money, I was willing to [unintelligible - 00:33:36] just so I could get this.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: And I gave him this, he paid the bills, [unintelligible - 00:33:42] so you see I always tell young brides come here, I tell them, don’t expect your husband to do everything.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Right.
A. LEGEROS: Give him a helping hand, because I had the example. And I don’t tell it to brag, I just want to set the example that don’t expect your husbands to do everything, it’s impossible. You know my mother had seen us like this, [unintelligible - 00:34:12] isn’t a friend of her husband, it’s impossible, you’ve got to give them help, otherwise you can’t.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: How about the mothers? I always think of the mothers that you remember that you would like to share.
A. LEGEROS: The mothers? She was [unintelligible - 00:34:28] she was [unintelligible - 00:34:30] keep on [unintelligible - 00:34:35] but you look at the mother and I look into marriage.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
A. LEGEROS: It means that, when it comes to – you see how the children, the [unintelligible - 00:34:57].
[00:35:00] learn the best out [unintelligible - 00:35:02] these are old sayings of Greek old [unintelligible - 00:35:09] Greeks [unintelligible - 00:35:10] because she was illiterate and all these women were illiterate those years. They were all related to [unintelligible - 00:35:19].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Now do you have any special interests and skills or habits that you have done?
A. LEGEROS: I was busy going to the hospitals and nursing.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: [Unintelligible - 00:35:33]
A. LEGEROS: Yeah, new hobby. Bible classes, I enjoy that. But of course we played poker.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: I remember that.
A. LEGEROS: You remember? And you know we did good at that? Do you know that I have letters from a hospital and the council of churches, because we did, I’ve got the book, I’ve got the book. Because they took it [unintelligible - 00:36:05] and we’d send it to the hospital to work on heart surgery, and [unintelligible - 00:36:10] that is why.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Well that’s beautiful.
A. LEGEROS: Can’t throw those letters away. Open heart surgery, I remember Dr. [Liddle] on those first you know [unintelligible - 00:36:21]…
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah that [unintelligible - 00:36:21] yeah.
A. LEGEROS: When they performed the first operation on this young Greek boy, he came out and he said, Mrs. Peters was there with me at the time, and was crying, because he lost his kids, and that’s what we did to help the open heart surgery. What is it called? I’ve forgotten what it is. Heart hospital.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: The heart hospital.
A. LEGEROS: The heart hospital.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: At the university?
A. LEGEROS: Yeah.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: So you guys would take [unintelligible - 00:36:51] and it will cost seven dollars with -- it would cost seven dollars, we prayed every Sunday, every Sunday. It only went to $15 it wouldn’t be too little [unintelligible - 00:37:04] but you see [unintelligible - 00:37:09]. And then our community started it, remember?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes.
A. LEGEROS: Our community started to get – not give [unintelligible - 00:37:20] but it started with a poker group taking out the -- we started out with pennies, and then nickels, and then dimes, and then quarters. We – just quarters that we were allowed to raise a quarter and quarter there. But it was good for us because our husbands were working, now they started out, our husbands used to get together and play at New Year’s day and we had nothing to do, so we believed that [unintelligible - 00:37:49] women 24, 25 years old. So instead of sitting watching our husbands, we’d get our own table and we would play until 3:00, 4:00 in the morning, sometimes had breakfast.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: You and your sister Bertha, and your sister Betty, let’s see [unintelligible - 00:38:15] that was old times. Was it Mary [unintelligible - 00:38:21]?
A. LEGEROS: Oh yeah, it’s the one –
A. SPELIOPOULOS: [Unintelligible - 00:38:23]
A. LEGEROS: Oh yes I had Mary [unintelligible - 00:38:25]. She wasn’t a poker player, [unintelligible - 00:38:32] player but she’d come in but she wasn’t a poker player. I can’t remember – and her sister Mary [unintelligible - 00:38:38] Helen was here at the time.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Angie Philips, did she play with you or was it later? Her sister Marla, [unintelligible - 00:38:49] she played with you didn’t she?
A. LEGEROS: Yes, yes.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Oh yeah. How about [unintelligible - 00:38:53] do you know –
A. LEGEROS: Oh yeah you see I’m pretty – yes indeed yes.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Well I remember the first time that I met you, I think was at your sister Betty’s 40 days, and you were playing poker. And I said to my mother I said, I, I – because I came from a very small town [unintelligible - 00:39:12] and I said, “Oh my mother [unintelligible - 00:39:15],” and she said, Angie she said, “If you would have known Betty, she said she would have loved having [unintelligible - 00:39:21].”
A. LEGEROS: Oh that’s what her daughter said.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: She said listen, “If mother was living, I would [unintelligible - 00:39:27], if mother was living, she would want us to do this.” So that’s what they did. So they – and you know [unintelligible - 00:39:35] always the banker.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Oh was she?
SPEAKER 2 Always the – we can’t have anyone else.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: I will be doing that, too, I think she’s gone on a cruise boat; I will be doing that until she comes back.
A. LEGEROS: Yes.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: That’s the duration.
A. LEGEROS: She’ll have a story, too, with her husband with his illness. Wonderful, a trooper.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Very much so. Well that’s good. Now do you have any important events in your life or specific with Crystal that you would like to share,
[00:40:00] things that were [unintelligible - 00:40:01] I know you husband was a superb businessman and he was also given the Cross of St. Andrew?
SPEAKER 2 Yeah he got the Cross yes, yes. Oh yes his church was this – do you know that he never went to business without going by the church? In fact they had a key, and you know what they did?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: No.
A. LEGEROS: They changed the locks of the church.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: They did?
A. LEGEROS: He used to go with his own key because he was the chairman, and you know the money we [unintelligible - 00:40:37] for that, and you know we were going to buy that piece of property, all that property but somebody –
I got it through a woman from Greece, she came here [unintelligible - 00:40:52] sister came to meet. And somebody said [unintelligible - 00:40:59] got commission for buying the property. You know how he got this property don’t you?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: No I don’t.
A. LEGEROS: Don’t you know how he got?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: No.
SPEAKER 2 Well we were way down here in the [unintelligible - 00:41:12].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Chicago on May Street there.
A. LEGEROS: And we had [unintelligible - 00:41:18] at the time, and this woman was eating at the Rainbow and then said we were looking for a place to open and [unintelligible - 00:41:27]. And then he moved us into this property that was being sold. So he cabled back and he said put him on it to hold it because the community had to vote on it. And if it wasn’t for Mr. George [unintelligible - 00:41:52] he was a saint at the time because people had their homes down there, they didn’t want to move but [unintelligible - 00:41:55].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: And this was an ideal property; we had the best [unintelligible - 00:42:02] in the United States and I’ve been around [unintelligible - 00:42:06] as far as the location but then we’re blessed with a wonderful minister and the program is beautiful. He has a wonderful – he ministers to the grandmothers and to the little babies. And then my husband wrote, he said put money on it until the community votes on it, and then Mr. [unintelligible - 00:42:28] convinced all of [unintelligible - 00:42:32]?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: No, no, no.
A. LEGEROS: You see, they all were down there and he worked so hard, this was now George [unintelligible - 00:42:41], the location was wonderful – that’s why we came back; the location is wonderful, we can improve the location, and he just talked [unintelligible - 00:42:52] then he bought it and we got it [unintelligible - 00:42:55].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes, and you should tell them our church is located around the Calhoun and it was the original Kahn brothers who were – the early missionaries here in Minnesota.
SPEAKER 2 You know that better than I, see I forgot that yeah. Yes you know that.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: It’s a beautiful location. And [unintelligible - 00:43:15] Father Anthony [unintelligible - 00:43:17] has been our minister now for 40 years and he does come from Boston. But he’s united the church, it’s been a beautiful marriage between the parishioners and Father Anthony and [unintelligible - 00:43:30] board know.
A. LEGEROS: Good, good we need women like you. We need women who are a bit interested in that church because he can't do it alone.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: No, I know that.
A. LEGEROS: Because when dissension comes, if we’re not – like there was a dissension and through Mrs. Panthers he was [unintelligible - 00:43:50] because she threatened. So when dissension comes [unintelligible - 00:43:56].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Are you talking about like someone threatened him with his life?
A. LEGEROS: You remember?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes, yeah. And that was unfortunate. We had other prisoners that did threaten Father Anthony and the board voted that she was to be ostracized from, and she no longer could come into the church again.
SPEAKER 2 And that affected his mind so Mrs. Panthers said that well I would too, I would, too.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: When somebody threatens you and they are violent, of course, yeah.
A. LEGEROS: You never know, you never know. [Unintelligible - 00:44:26] because she was once a member of our Bible class.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Was she?
A. LEGEROS: Yes she was and we attended Bible class in her home. But you know you’ve got to be a Christian, you’ve got to study the law [unintelligible - 00:44:43] and act on it as a Christian. But it’s not done overnight, you have to read. You have to read, and go to church, and if I didn’t have these programs before I go to church – I had three programs, our ministers
[00:45:00] better have a good sermon because we have Kennedy, we got Hoover there, seven o’clock with good stuff, Kennedy is one of the last one, Jimmy Swagger. All these different ministers, I hear three, four sermons before I got to my church. Though I forget them, I don’t remember but I do get the benefit and I’m a good critic. I’m a good critic and if you don’t hear other sermons you can’t be a critic, if you don’t know your Bible you can’t talk about the Bible that’s why it’s important, and that’s why it’s so important, Bible class, and we’re so proud to get Father George. Isn’t he a blessing?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: And we should explain who Father George is; Father George is an engineer and when the church allowed lay people to become priests, he was one of the very few and he was trained by Father Anthony and then he went to the seminary and finished his training. And now he’s retired but he is our second priest.
A. LEGEROS: He’s a wonderful one and dedicated. If he doesn’t know an answer – I’m all questions. If I do not understand it, it doesn’t do me any good. I’ve got to understand it, and he if he doesn’t understand it, research. He’s so [unintelligible - 00:46:26] I think he does the service [unintelligible - 00:46:28] every movement in the [unintelligible - 00:46:31] altar. You couldn’t find a better man, couldn’t find a better man to help – we’re so fortunate to have him, so fortunate [unintelligible - 00:46:42].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah she’s beautiful, I teach Sunday school with her.
SPEAKER 2 Do you?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Aha.
A. LEGEROS: [Unintelligible - 00:46:49].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Well I’m amazed with her knowledge of the Bible.

A. LEGEROS: And we went all the way to New York not Brooklyn, Brooklyn we went to New York, labor him straps and she died in this house. It was a lace dress, white, I remember, it’s got a sash and then they went but it was an experience you see, it was pushing, that’s why I said I was so full of love, that’s why I had so much love at home that if I did marry a man that loved me as much as he did I would have died, too much love.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Too much love. Mother was wonderful, my father was wonderful and with three little girls too much love, religious people and worked within the church surrounded by love and when -- if you marry a man that doesn’t have that love and then besides my husband, I had my brother, Troy they all adored me, we lived together, just those years. My mother, you know what advice she gave me? She said, “Anna, you getting married we are not the ones to guide you. You have a husband and this husband of yours is in business with his brothers. Now be sure that you don’t come in between the brothers.” What advice to give you.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes, very smart lady.
A. LEGEROS: Very smart, those brothers, they were living together.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: How many were them?
A. LEGEROS: It was three boys.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: They adored me. When I was dusting day to day, I was pregnant and I was dusting and I was crying and Johnny was -- he was a boy who would keep me for a while. So he didn’t work at the winter at all, he was a boy, he was a sickly boy, he missed me, Johnny missed me. He came when I was dusting the – into dining hall table, he said, “Annie, where are you Annie, where are you?” [Unintelligible - 00:02:04] and he thought I was tired. It wasn’t that I was tired, I was sick to my stomach. He took the duster, he said “Don’t cry Annie, get up Annie and put your cloth around the bed.” And he brought me a glass of water. That’s how much love. But it’s – and then you see I had this training from my mother that be sure that you don’t come between these brothers.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: And, and we lived beautifully, beautifully. All those years and at the same time it helped us because I said, what a beautiful home, you know, a pure décor, imagine the interior decor upstairs. But my husband wanted to have a nice home. I mean, for the time, one of the nicest homes in Minneapolis and you can’t say he had money. But we economized. Did we economize? Yeah. Worth the time. I should tell you this. You know, when he laid as a baby, we used to have these tassels and you know, down the living room had this long table found that with gold tassels and when [unintelligible - 00:03:09] was a baby, she’d go and touch the tassels and I say “No, no, no honey, you should move from there.” And when one George came along, I would say “George, don’t touch it.” He would knock it down and run knock it down first so I thought I was going to be awfully smart you know. We used to have vases; I got a very good vase, I think it was $6. At the time that was expensive knocked it down. I went and got another one build a house, knock that down [unintelligible - 00:03:47] and I got one for $1. Well, I thought I had done my [unintelligible - 00:03:53] so when my husband came home at night I said, “Chris, you see that vase?” “Yeah,” he said. I said Chris the first one was $4, the second one was $3 and they knocked the both of them. Now Chris I went to the furniture store and I got one for $1. Well I expected him to say “Bravo Anna!” then you know what he said? He looked at me furious. He says, “You see this furniture Anna?” he says, “This furniture isn’t paid for, you see this house, this house isn’t paid for.” Oh I started to cry. I thought I was doing something, you know, and I started to cry. I said “I didn’t know Chris.” The next day, I thought we were poor. I went over to my mother. I said, “Mama, do you have any old clothes to give me?” You know, nobody ever scolded me like that but he was furious because he didn’t have money to pay the bills at the store and he always worried about these vases so those were the experiences.
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A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: That’s why I tell these young girls when they marry, don’t expect too much go in and help because I wasn’t prepared. Those years, you know, you weren’t allowed this you weren’t—I wasn’t allowed to go downtown. The only person that was allowed to go do you remember Penny [unintelligible - 00:05:22]?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes.
A. LEGEROS: Only with Penny I was right, you know, “Anna, one hour,” he would give me one hour to go downtown with Penny come back home again. Now that’s too much you got to have this – I was just a baby, just a baby. My husband said to me, he said, “You know, your folks should have given you a doll to play with.” Because I was unfit although I was a good, honest, clean girl, but I should have been a little more worldly.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes.
A. LEGEROS: Little more worldly that’s why I liked the girls that did know. Dating was good, if you don’t date you don’t know what it’s all about.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Right.
A. LEGEROS: Those years matchmaking, they were happy marriages. I don’t condemn them.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Right.
A. LEGEROS: Because they sized up but this – I like dating better a lot of things come out that you admire in your husband.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Although I had the most husband in the world. I wouldn’t change my husband because he was an honorable man he had these old Greek values. Greek values, there was a woman who worked [unintelligible - 00:06:35] business was prospering and we didn’t have a [unintelligible - 00:06:39] and he had to take this [unintelligible - 00:06:41] up to their apartment. And he kept [unintelligible - 00:06:52] but he had to tell me this so he booked up [unintelligible - 00:06:55] and I remember the two ladies that were beautiful women, much older than I but beautiful women. I went upstairs and I said Chris don’t you want to dish it out first? [Unintelligible - 00:07:10] and he was a typical Greek, typical Greek. He said “Well, if you put something on, I’ll come and dish it up.” Well that whole night, he came home he said Anna no he just dished it out. No, he didn’t want to go in that place because it was scandalous. “Oh come on Chris, come in and serve us.” He says “Don’t you know that I’m a married man with four children?” “And don’t tell us Chris that will stop you.” He says “Yes.” and then he turned around where I was and he says Anna,
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Isn’t that beautiful?
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
A. LEGEROS: You know those he’s been dead so many years and some of his sayings of his, that’s why I—he was rough as they make them. I mean rough as they make them but then he’d get on his knees, “Mama, I’m sorry, Mama.” He was outspoken. You know where you stood with my husband.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: You knew where you – remember him at all?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes, I do remember.
A. LEGEROS: You knew where you stood but you couldn’t find a better friend.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: You couldn’t find a better friend. George is there. George would take the shade off his back. You know my George?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes, I heard him, yes.
A. LEGEROS: [Unintelligible - 00:08:32] only George has finesse. My husband was a diamond in the rough. I was [unintelligible - 00:08:41] you know I would threaten him. “When my children grow up Chris, I’m leaving you. You know what, I’ve had enough.” Because my mother – whenever my mother provoked with us she would say [FOREIGN LANGUAGE].
A. LEGEROS: Chris told me as soon “As my children were old enough I’m taking my head and I’m walking out.” “You know I’d never do that.” But I was tired, provoking him, but we had a wonderful life he was a good man.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Diamond in the rough. I was sometimes I would get used but that was.
[FOREIGN LANGUAGE]
A. LEGEROS: And he looked at me I know what then he would tell you [unintelligible - 00:09:23] he, he knows he was rough.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: He knew he was rough but his heart was made of gold.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: He was just a beautiful man, yeah. He was a good, good man. I loved him so because he was a good of course to me and he didn’t hurt anybody that would come out of the rainbow. And he did have money to pay. I’m good, I’m good. He would use his own discretion, I mean.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes.
A. LEGEROS: Not a but he would pay them and, you know, [unintelligible - 00:09:54] used to come home and oh he’s like give me bag [unintelligible - 00:09:58]
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Just a good man. Good boss.
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A. SPELIOPOULOS: That’s good.
A. LEGEROS: Yeah, because we – he put the children to work as soon as they are – nine years in the parking lot. Back and then we had Mr. Anderson we were at his house. He’d sent you know, this – he’d say to George, he’d say “George, which is the nice place to eat around here?” And before George would answer he say, “I think I’ll go to Hasty Tasty. I remember them you know.” And poor George, “No, no, no Mr. Anderson, go directly because that’s [unintelligible - 00:10:37]. He did that every time.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Instead he was the man who was the dry cleaning.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes I remember that.
A. LEGEROS: You remember that?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah, yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Yeah, I think yeah, they had – they were tired they – but I think it’s the best anyway, between the two boy scouts and working at rain and it rained. She was doing [unintelligible - 00:10:58]. I remember she had some doctors, doctors that she was calling. Dr. [unintelligible - 00:11:07] and they dated. But you see, they promised. Elaine couldn’t date. We promised that when she was 17, then she could date. It wasn’t doctor [unintelligible - 00:11:20] doctor is going to [unintelligible - 00:11:22]. So he said, “No, we just can’t date, not until you’re 17.” Daddy said “No.” “But daddy, you said when I was 17 I could date.” You know, poor girl, no wonder she married the first man that came. But [unintelligible - 00:11:42] bored. Took her out, proposed, she said yes. Can you imagine that?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Isn’t that something.
A. LEGEROS: Oh, my sister said, “Elaine, hadn’t you seen a pair of pants before?” My sister was very protective. But he was a good man. [Unintelligible - 00:12:01] was a good man. Actually he started drinking. He loved his wife, he loved his children. But when they [unintelligible - 00:12:10] got in you forget [unintelligible - 00:12:12] you know the Greek saying, [Foreign language] this man, people would forgive. No saints were God. But finally, she had a divorce to that. That almost killed me. I didn’t like it but it didn’t work with -- the girl couldn’t.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: She – you know, you have to think about what’s good for you and the children though.
A. LEGEROS: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s a – you know, way it was going because Lord knows when you step out, right there, what you can bring home. And she never once [unintelligible - 00:12:48] didn’t know that. And then you know, you know the Mrs. [Bezedika]? She was the one that told me that my son was a [unintelligible - 00:13:05] I didn’t know it. She said “Didn’t you know?” And I said “No.” [Unintelligible - 00:13:10] around the family and says the last one to know but she told me she’s an [unintelligible - 00:13:15] just [unintelligible - 00:13:17]. But she never came home to tell us. Just what her [unintelligible - 00:13:23] I think I was telling her children “Your Mama is fighting her own little battle, never complained.” I don’t remember once that she complained. I remember she never came to church. And then, our children were choir with boys, they were all in the choir, Elaine was in the choir, they were altar boys. I couldn’t understand, and so one day I got the nerve. No I think it was after, because I didn’t have the nerve before. You know, you keep your hands out of your children’s business. And I said, “Honey, how is it that you and Kostas stopped coming to church?” She said, “No, every time we came to church he fought with me and [unintelligible - 00:14:11] As she was – Yeah. Well the [unintelligible - 00:14:17] she’s was in great –
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Well I don’t know.
A. LEGEROS: [Foreign language] he’d go and he’d – so poor the girl stopped coming to church. And they didn’t know this until I lost him. He was a drunk, difficult man, difficult man. Although I came to say he loved me, he respected me. And every time you know, he went wrong he, you know, her house was a [unintelligible - 00:14:41]. He’d go right here and then [unintelligible - 00:14:43] speak you know, the minute the children were sick. The minute I stepped at the door everything, was fine. And I remember when [unintelligible - 00:14:51] balcony. Then he was drinking like you know, [unintelligible - 00:14:57].
[00:15:00] I said, “Kostas, I said let me [unintelligible - 00:15:00] how can you drink a [unintelligible - 00:15:01]?” You see, those years, we didn’t know alcoholic was a disease. My husband didn’t know it either and of course he didn’t like it. He didn’t like. We thought he was [unintelligible - 00:15:15] a disease. And I think that that was a lifestyle in Florida.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: You know, they had this lifestyle in Florida. But he was a good man. My – as I said, yeah I can’t say things against him because I know more about the disease at the time. My little girl never complained, he – she wanted to move [unintelligible - 00:15:38] move. So what could I say? I mean this – he had this one who – and at the time I didn’t even know he was drunk. Because every time he was drunk, you see, he would sleep. And my husband would criticize him. He’d say, “[Foreign language].” So, and then, he was dead drunk. But we didn’t – we didn’t know any alcoholics at the time. But she never complained. I mean everyone bought a little bottle, bought a [unintelligible - 00:16:13] married a good man, or what does a lovely, lovely lady. So God painted that, God painted that. I hope she –
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah, Walker does he [unintelligible - 00:16:27] institute is that his –?
A. LEGEROS: No, no he doesn’t know this.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: But he said –
A. LEGEROS: Oh yes his mother, his mother started you know, the Walker home.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay, The Walker home. For the Methodist welfare.
A. LEGEROS: That’s right, his mother started that.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: For unwed mothers.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Oh okay. Alright, okay.
A. LEGEROS: That’s how it started.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Yes, yes.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Okay.
A. LEGEROS: His mother start one of the business. And when my husband was there, it was just a twice as big as his house.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah, yeah.
A. LEGEROS: But now it’s huge, huge yes, yes.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Through [unintelligible - 00:16:57] nursing home.
A. LEGEROS: It’s everything now. I mean he says they’ve got apartments that my husband was living and I couldn’t afford to keep this house after you know – and wonderful what they do.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah, yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Wonderful what they do. That is that – it is the government?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: I don’t know, I don’t know.
A. LEGEROS: And was – but it’s a nonprofit.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Nonprofit.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Yes. And then going towards the end, there was the nurses that used to come in. There was one who was mentally unbalanced but I wouldn’t dare say who. But she loved people like that. [Unintelligible - 00:17:33] some people. Well I could see that she was unbalanced. But I didn’t know enough then. You know, at the time, you are so green and you are so shocked with your own situation, because my husband [unintelligible - 00:17:45] I don’t even remember how long he was sick with [unintelligible - 00:17:47]. But we lived – we had a nice life. We – and I hope so that when I die, I sleep right. I was [unintelligible - 00:17:59] my dream when I die, I dreamed that I was dying. This was last week. I dreamt that I was just dying. And I said, “Oh and this is what death is.” She said “That’s when you’re going to die.” She is so reassuring. [Unintelligible - 00:18:16]. I said, “I hope so. I hope so, I hope so.”
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Is that now how –
A. LEGEROS: “Chill out, I’m bringing you some ice cream.”
A. SPELIOPOULOS: You’re going to – tell me something, how many godchildren did you two have? You must have had five or [unintelligible - 00:18:28].”
A. LEGEROS: Oh no, no we had a lot of godchildren.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: I wish I could count them, I don’t remember.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: You don’t remember them all.
A. LEGEROS: And I know we had purpose, godchildren, [unintelligible - 00:18:39]. No, no she baptized when I was – and you know, I can’t – we had a lot of godchildren.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah and then [unintelligible - 00:18:48].
A. LEGEROS: Yeah she is my godchild, too and you know [unintelligible - 00:18:51].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: She is Anna’s husband. Am I – and Anna and Chris are cousins?
A. LEGEROS: Her husband?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: No, her mother and my mother-in-law are sisters.
A. LEGEROS: Oh is that right?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah, yeah.
A. LEGEROS: See, I remember her fully. Oh I remember her mother, very pretty woman and a gentle woman, am I right?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes, yes.
A. LEGEROS: Yes and Anna is a lovely girl.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes.
A. LEGEROS: Isn’t she lovely?
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yes, she is, yeah.
A. LEGEROS: And her husband is a social worker.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah social work and he’s on the board with me now. He was just elected the same time I was.
A. LEGEROS: Goodness.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Good man. Well I’m glad you’re on the board Anna, because that church needs people dedicated people. Because when we get scandals like we had with father –
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Oh my God, that’s terrible.
A. LEGEROS: Yes.
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Yeah, I was [unintelligible - 00:19:37] you are right, yeah.
A. LEGEROS: Oh yes, oh yes. Terrible you need, you need people. You see [unintelligible - 00:19:41].
A. SPELIOPOULOS: Well no, no, no.
SPEAKER 1: This concludes the interview of Anna [unintelligible - 00:19:48] Lugares. And was taped for the daughters or [unintelligible - 00:19:54] interviewer Angie [unintelligible - 00:19:58].