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DR. H. ROTOUS: Interview is being conducted by Doctor Helen [Rotous] the daughter of Georgia Zanyahu Rotus. My address is 2555 West San Ramone Avenue, Fresno California 93711. My telephone number is area code 209-439-5784. This interview is being conducted on December the 29th 1989, in my home in Fresno California. I am interviewing Georgia Zanyahu, Rotus and your address; would you give your address?
G. ROTOUS: 108 Chile Jefferson, Aberdeen, Washington.
DR. H. ROTOUS: And your telephone number?
G. ROTOUS: 532-0821.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay where were you born?
G. ROTOUS: I was born in Limni Evias Greece.
DR. H. ROTOUS: And what was your birth date?
G. ROTOUS: August 29... 9th 1907.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay, what is your social security number?
G. ROTOUS: 537-50-9204
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay, good. Where were you born and... where were you born?
G. ROTOUS: I told you.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay what was your maiden name?
G. ROTOUS: Zanyahu.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay, and what was your husband's name?
G. ROTOUS: Andrew Nicholas [Orotush].
DR. H. ROTOUS: What was your father's name?
G. ROTOUS: Yohanes, or John Zanyaku.
DR. H. ROTOUS: What was the date of his birth?
G. ROTOUS: I don't remember.
DR. H. ROTOUS: About well when did he die? Do you remember what year he died?
G. ROTOUS: When did I went to the [unintelligible - 00:03:04] remember, we was married for about twenty years, we was married about 20 years at that time and we married 1931, 41, 51 then about 1950, 1950.
DR. H. ROTOUS: 1950.
G. ROTOUS: He died.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay, how old was he?
G. ROTOUS: He was 85 years old-- 95.
DR. H. ROTOUS: 95, okay... and can you tell me something else about your father?
G. ROTOUS: He was a very gentle man and he loves his family so much, that's why he talked about it how all was worrying if he had enough dowries for his three daughters.
DR. H. ROTOUS: He had how many children?
G. ROTOUS: He had four children, the others was a boy, his name was Tanasis; that was my father's father name and that's the custom in Greece, the four sign they give after the fathers either if it is a boy they give the father…
(Someone speaking in the back)
DR. H. ROTOUS: Hey, we are recording right now. Okay and how old was he when he died? Tanasis.
G. ROTOUS: Oh Tanasis. He was 29 years old.
DR. H. ROTOUS: And how did he die?
G. ROTOUS: He was killed in an accident, he was working at [00:05:00] for the trains at that time.
DR. H. ROTOUS: He was killed by a train?
G. ROTOUS: Yes he was killed by a train.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Where, where in Greece…?
G. ROTOUS: In Chalcis, which is the capital of the Island of Iboia.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay and how about your other sisters? Tanasis was the oldest?
G. ROTOUS: The oldest and then there was Katerini, Maria and me, Yoria.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay now Katerini…
G. ROTOUS: Maria.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Now what was her married name?
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:05:47], her married name? Dekraki.
DR. H. ROTOUS: And what kind of a person was she? Tell me about Katerini, what type of a person was she?
G. ROTOUS: She was a very smart woman, that's all I can say about her.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Where was she born?
G. ROTOUS: In Limni.
DR. H. ROTOUS: And she died in Limni?
G. ROTOUS: Yes she died in Limni.
DR. H. ROTOUS: How old was she?
G. ROTOUS: She was 80, about 80 years old.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay, do you know what she died of?
G. ROTOUS: She had a stroke and that's what she died of, I think.
DR. H. ROTOUS: How many children did she have?
G. ROTOUS: She had two children, a boy and a girl.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Their names?
G. ROTOUS: The girl was the oldest one and was Maria, you want the last name?
DR. H. ROTOUS: Sure
G. ROTOUS: Yorio.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay and the other?
G. ROTOUS: The other was Yoanez or John [unintelligible - 00:07:14].
DR. H. ROTOUS: And did your sister go to school?
G. ROTOUS: Yes.
DR. H. ROTOUS: How many years of schooling did she have?
G. ROTOUS: The only small town of 4-5000 people so at that time they went to grade school after the fourth grade, but they were very good students were smart, they were doing good.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Was she the smartest of your sisters? The smartest?
G. ROTOUS: She was -- yes.
DR. H. ROTOUS: And she knew how to-- other thing, you say she knew how to-- [unintelligible - 00:08:02].
G. ROTOUS: Yeah, embroidery, she was working at [unintelligible - 00:08:07], very much any kind of embroidery and silk and everything she was exceptional.
DR. H. ROTOUS: What kind of a temperament did she have, was she…?
G. ROTOUS: She was a lovable, a lovable person.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Was she a happy person?
G. ROTOUS: Yes and everybody even now after she died, everybody talks about her, how nice she was…
DR. H. ROTOUS: Good person. Okay and then your next sister was Maria.
G. ROTOUS: Maria.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay Maria…
G. ROTOUS: Maria, her maiden name was …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Married name.
G. ROTOUS: Her married name Focha.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay and she was born in Limni?
G. ROTOUS: In Limni, she was four years younger than my elder sister.
DR. H. ROTOUS: How old was she when she died?
G. ROTOUS: Like 79.
DR. H. ROTOUS: She died inLimni?
G. ROTOUS: She died the same time my other sister did, Katerini.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Katerini, same time? Well, but she was four years younger than she wasn't like 79.
G. ROTOUS: No, no.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Then she must have been 76.
G. ROTOUS: 76.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay, same year she died, what year was it?
G. ROTOUS: 40 days when I was in the other country, she died after I left [00:10:00] 40 days after Katerini and then Maria, she died 15 days after her.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh gosh that’s close. And what was the cause -- and what year was that, do you remember that she died, that they died? You don’t remember, that’s okay. What did Maria die of?
G. ROTOUS: Maria she was sick all her life. She was just very [unintelligible - 00:10:31] person and she couldn’t hear hardly anything. A car --
DR. H. ROTOUS: Visual and hearing problem.
G. ROTOUS: A car hit her, before she died, about four years before, a car hit her.
DR. H. ROTOUS: And she was walking, she was a pedestrian?
G. ROTOUS: She was walking and from that time she was from one hospital to the other.
DR. H. ROTOUS: But you don’t know what she died of?
G. ROTOUS: No I don’t.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Lung problem I hear.
G. ROTOUS: No I don't think so. I don’t know.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay and she had how many children?
G. ROTOUS: She had two children, two daughters.
DR. H. ROTOUS: And their names?
G. ROTOUS: Lenny, Evangilia.
DR. H. ROTOUS: What's their last names, their married names?
G. ROTOUS: Focha.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah that was their maiden name, but do you remember they got married, did they get married?
G. ROTOUS: I forgot the name but --
DR. H. ROTOUS: You don’t remember? Well that’s okay.
G. ROTOUS: I don’t remember, I don’t know.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh yeah Eveni, right you know I get it she had two children.
G. ROTOUS: Lela, we called her Lela.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Lela huh Lela.
G. ROTOUS: Lela. [Unintelligible - 00:11:49] is Lela. [Unintelligible - 00:11:53] Evangilia.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Right and she had two children. She took care [unintelligible - 00:11:58] right and her last name is Makoya?
G. ROTOUS: Malco -- Malcoyorvo.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Malco -- is that Malco?
G. ROTOUS: Malcoyorvo.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay now tell me what kind of a personality did Maria have?
G. ROTOUS: You see her husband was with the votes and she raised her children by herself. She was firm and very sturdy how she would do it and she trained her children even in Greece, she had put them through English school. And Lela once she writes to me, she writes beautiful English.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah, well that’s good.
G. ROTOUS: And also Vengelisa, she knows English too. So she trained and she -- but Maria she was a wonderful embroidering in the sewing machine.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh yeah?
G. ROTOUS: Exceptional.
DR. H. ROTOUS: She took lessons?
G. ROTOUS: No.
DR. H. ROTOUS: No, just learned it?
G. ROTOUS: Mm.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Did your -- her mother, your mothers talk to her?
G. ROTOUS: No, no my mother she didn’t --
DR. H. ROTOUS: Didn’t know?
G. ROTOUS: She was with [unintelligible - 00:13:21] my mother did but not -- see the sewing machine at that time it was on the sink but special. You have to fix special for embroidering and Maria she was very smart in that and she did it and that’s how she made -- she used to make sure leaving before she gets that marriage.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh I see.
G. ROTOUS: Because she was fixing different things for people, right. [Unintelligible - 00:13:56]
DR. H. ROTOUS: Huh yeah. [Unintelligible - 00:14:01] to remember what kind of personality he had?
G. ROTOUS: He was a good hearted, exceptional good hearted. I just loved him so much. I remember it used to be long time fever, they call them vagios. I don’t know what kind it was.
DR. H. ROTOUS: He had a fever you mean? Who had a fever?
G. ROTOUS: Yeah and he was sick and he had a fever too.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Not malaria?
G. ROTOUS: At home, no, no. It wasn’t malaria no. I was the one that I had malaria.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Your sisters didn’t get it?
G. ROTOUS: For two years. I don’t -- maybe Maria did but not Katherine.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh yeah, okay. Do you remember the names of Katherine's husband and Maria's husband?
G. ROTOUS: Oh yes. Katherine [unintelligible - 00:14:59] [00:15:00]
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay.
G. ROTOUS: Maria, Yorvo.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Maria, Yorvo.
G. ROTOUS: Unintelligible - 00:15:11]
DR. H. ROTOUS: Huh?
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:15:13]
DR. H. ROTOUS: Can you remember your grandparents?
G. ROTOUS: His name was Yorgos. My mother's --
DR. H. ROTOUS: Which? Your mother's okay your mother's.
G. ROTOUS: My mother's father his name was Yorgos that’s why they call me Yorgia.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh I see.
G. ROTOUS: Because this is very interesting. See their English even now when these men have children, the first children they have to take after their fathers.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Which children? Yeah, right. Parents.
G. ROTOUS: Parents and the second ones they go after them.
DR. H. ROTOUS: So Thanasis was -- Katherine was the name of your father's mother and father?
G. ROTOUS: Right.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Right? And then Maria was the name of your mother's mother?
G. ROTOUS: Right.
DR. H. ROTOUS: And George was your mother's father?
G. ROTOUS: And because my mother she didn’t have another boy and she called me Yorgia and then I maybe Yorgo.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Sure.
G. ROTOUS: Sure that’s it, that’s all. Anything else?
DR. H. ROTOUS: Do you remember -- who was your [unintelligible - 00:16:28] do you remember?
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:16:32]
DR. H. ROTOUS: What was his name?
G. ROTOUS: Panayotis.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Panayotis, I never asked you that before, Panayotis. What was the last name?
G. ROTOUS: I don't remember.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah, he was somebody who lived in the village there?
G. ROTOUS: No, he was living in Athens.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh he was from Athens? And he was a friend?
G. ROTOUS: He had a dry good store. Oh and no he hasn’t lived [unintelligible - 00:17:02] we have now platia, deplatia [unintelligible - 00:17:08].
DR. H. ROTOUS: Well he was in Athens too?
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:17:15]
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh I see. So he was a friend of the family? Why did they choose him to be...?
G. ROTOUS: He was the oldest. Huh?
DR. H. ROTOUS: Why did they choose him to be the [unintelligible - 00:17:25]?
G. ROTOUS: Because his mother and my mother are sisters.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh you were relatives then?
G. ROTOUS: His -- oh yes we were relatives.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh I see. His mother and your mother were sisters. So his mother was your aunt?
G. ROTOUS: Yeah my aunt yeah.
DR. H. ROTOUS: He was your aunt's son?
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:17:43]
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh I see.
G. ROTOUS: Maria [unintelligible - 00:17:46]
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay.
G. ROTOUS: I still remember him.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: He was smart man, very famous.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: So I tell you something about him?
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: He got tuberculosis [unintelligible - 00:18:10].
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay, why not that’s good.
G. ROTOUS: He had tuberculosis and at that time it was no cure of course.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Right I know.
G. ROTOUS: And he got married and had even a boy and he was living in Athens and he sends his wife out to go and get groceries, although he was in bed dying and he killed himself.
DR. H. ROTOUS: And then he died because it was --
G. ROTOUS: Yeah [unintelligible - 00:18:40].
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh really?
G. ROTOUS: Mm.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh I see.
G. ROTOUS: He couldn’t stand to be sick, he was so refined person.
DR. H. ROTOUS: How old was he when he died?
G. ROTOUS: I don’t know must have been 40.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Did he have a family?
G. ROTOUS: He had a boy [unintelligible - 00:19:00].
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh so he was [unintelligible - 00:19:05] part of the TB you mean?
G. ROTOUS: Not his boy.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah I know.
G. ROTOUS: Well I don’t know. Those days you know they didn’t know anything.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: You know he had two brothers [unintelligible - 00:19:25].
DR. H. ROTOUS: No, that’s very good.
G. ROTOUS: He had -- there were three boys in the family and the second boy he also died from tuberculosis and the third boy he got down on a boat with the man who had the boat he was from Limni and he had married a German woman and it's because of war on that time and all the boys at the boat [00:20:00] was from Limni
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh.
G. ROTOUS: And it was war with Austria at that time. And the boat was torpedo. They used to call them [unintelligible - 00:20:13]. And they all die except his wife the German. And they took the little boy with them, they used to go in the boat to -- and before they left [unintelligible - 00:20:29]. I remember the boy they throw me a present the little I got my boyfriend.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: Oh. A soap.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh.
G. ROTOUS: Bar soap.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: And when torpedo the boy died.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Uh-huh.
G. ROTOUS: Drown.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: And she took him by hand and went out and dug and bury her little boy.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh yeah.
G. ROTOUS: Uh-huh.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: But she was -- she knew the language because very smart you know, she was -- I know, German woman.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: She know -- she used different language and that’s how help when we went to grill was very -- the first time we going we went and (shock) at the hotel.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh, yeah. Now, when did you first find out that you were going to marry Daddy?
G. ROTOUS: Well Daddy, he was on this country.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Right.
G. ROTOUS: And of course he was 33 years old, 32 ,33 and he came out to see his folks and of course to get married.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Right.
G. ROTOUS: And was nervous as over there they do match-making and they thought his sister…
DR. H. ROTOUS: Your sister.
G. ROTOUS: His sister and my cousin got together because …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Which cousin?
G. ROTOUS: The -- well my mother …
DR. H. ROTOUS: His sister which sister?
G. ROTOUS: My mother she had about three brothers -- and the youngest one, his daughter was my cousin for that’s his daughter got together with the other [unintelligible - 00:22:30] the current [unintelligible - 00:22:33] you know?
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah. When after he came over??
G. ROTOUS: The match-making.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Or before he came over?
G. ROTOUS: No after he came over.
DR. H. ROTOUS: He didn’t come over knowing he was going to marry you.
G. ROTOUS: No, no.
DR. H. ROTOUS: No.
G. ROTOUS: No, no.
DR. H. ROTOUS: But he came over to get married.
G. ROTOUS: Yes.
DR. H. ROTOUS: So he wrote to his family probably that he was …
G. ROTOUS: Oh he want to get married?
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah he wanted to get married. And your sister’s were already married? Your sisters?
G. ROTOUS: No. My older sister was married but Maria she wasn’t.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Okay.
G. ROTOUS: And I was the youngest, I shouldn’t but I guess …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh, so they were thinking they wanted Maria to marry him huh?
G. ROTOUS: Well Mariah had been wanting to come to this country.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Well was that why -- I mean otherwise she would have married him if she wanted to come …
G. ROTOUS: If he want, if he was [unintelligible - 00:23:17].
DR. H. ROTOUS: He wanted her?
G. ROTOUS: But when he saw me I just …
DR. H. ROTOUS: He wanted …
G. ROTOUS: No, he did not …
DR. H. ROTOUS: They gave him a choice between Maria and you [unintelligible - 00:23:24].
G. ROTOUS: No, no, no, no. Maria she didn’t want it, period.
DR. H. ROTOUS: No.
G. ROTOUS: She didn’t wanted to come to this country to go away from Greece, from Greece …
DR. H. ROTOUS: But that was -- then he knew he was going to come back. Dad wanted to …
G. ROTOUS: Of course, they had business here …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah, no question about that.
G. ROTOUS: Yeah.
DR. H. ROTOUS: But that was part of the deal. If you marry this man you had to come to his country.
G. ROTOUS: Of course …
DR. H. ROTOUS: One, two …
G. ROTOUS: As crazy as I was young you know I couldn’t …
DR. H. ROTOUS: How old were you when you got married?
G. ROTOUS: 23.
DR. H. ROTOUS: 23?
G. ROTOUS: And my brother had died at that time.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh.
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:23:58]
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh yeah. Thanasis
G. ROTOUS: Thanasis. I love him so much.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: He was such a good man.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: And because that often …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Daddy’s brother and your brother?
G. ROTOUS: We were very good [unintelligible - 00:24:15].
DR. H. ROTOUS: Which brothers? Which one of his brothers?
G. ROTOUS: Stamulis.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Stamulis the youngest brother. He’s youngest.
G. ROTOUS: No, no, the you the youngest was -- [unintelligible - 00:24:23].
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh, oh okay Stamulis?
G. ROTOUS: Stamulis.
DR. H. ROTOUS: And your brother and Fanasis …
G. ROTOUS: And Fanasis …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Were good friends …
G. ROTOUS: Were very good friends.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh, yeah, okay. So …
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:24:35].
DR. H. ROTOUS: How long did it take before you met?
G. ROTOUS: Uh huh.
DR. H. ROTOUS: And you decided to get engaged? When did Daddy come over to Limni?
G. ROTOUS: When Daddy came over …
DR. H. ROTOUS: What month? Do you remember when it was? Summer? What season?
G. ROTOUS: When he came out to Greece you mean?
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: It was in March 1930.
DR. H. ROTOUS: March 1930 [00:25:00] he came from the Unites States to Limni?
G. ROTOUS: A group for with their [unintelligible - 00:25:05]?
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh yeah [unintelligible - 00:25:07].
G. ROTOUS: And they came with …
DR. H. ROTOUS: It was an excursion.
G. ROTOUS: An excursion -- yes. That is because the big thing …
DR. H. ROTOUS: And he came -- Who did he come with, with Mr.?
G. ROTOUS: Mr. …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh [unintelligible - 00:25:22]?
G. ROTOUS: That’s why.
DR. H. ROTOUS: And who else?
G. ROTOUS: Oh, they were a lot of them but I don’t know.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Mm-hmm.
G. ROTOUS: Did you see that picture and …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah I know.
G. ROTOUS: Then he had another [unintelligible - 00:25:30]?
DR. H. ROTOUS: Right.
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:25:33]
DR. H. ROTOUS: Right.
G. ROTOUS: White and [sporty].
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah, yeah.
G. ROTOUS: He came over and …
DR. H. ROTOUS: So did [unintelligible - 00:25:38] felt [unintelligible - 00:25:39] coming to get married too?
G. ROTOUS: Yes, they got married both of them but …
DR. H. ROTOUS: But she …
G. ROTOUS: But Daddy got sick because before that Daddy was sickly man.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: And he got sick from malaria and when he came back …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Uh huh.
G. ROTOUS: Malaria was …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: Lively again and he was very, very sick and they made him stay longer
DR. H. ROTOUS: Uh huh.
G. ROTOUS: And that the time when he got well he goes to [unintelligible 00:26:15].
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah that’s right the (pazzeria).
G. ROTOUS: The (pazzeria)
DR. H. ROTOUS: Though he …
G. ROTOUS: He got man on it.
DR. H. ROTOUS: He arrived.
G. ROTOUS: He, he [unintelligible - 00:26:21] thoughts he used to [unintelligible - 00:26:23].
DR. H. ROTOUS: Which area was he from? From India? Was he from India?
G. ROTOUS: No, no, no.
DR. H. ROTOUS: No.
G. ROTOUS: Argos.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Argos. And his wife was from Argos too?
G. ROTOUS: Oh, yes.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: Close villages.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: But he came six months before but -- and Daddy stayed longer because he got sick and that’s when I had chance to marry him.
DR. H. ROTOUS: He stayed for six months?
G. ROTOUS: Daddy stayed …
DR. H. ROTOUS: No.
G. ROTOUS: Stayed longer than …
DR. H. ROTOUS: For a year.
G. ROTOUS: Chris [unintelligible - 00:26:57].
DR. H. ROTOUS: In the Greece?
G. ROTOUS: And he …
DR. H. ROTOUS: They came together?
G. ROTOUS: Oh yes came together but he came back six months before Daddy. Married …
DR. H. ROTOUS: He even came back to the United States.
G. ROTOUS: To the United States.
DR. H. ROTOUS: So Daddy came in March you say? He came in March?
G. ROTOUS: He came to Greece March.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Greece in March.
G. ROTOUS: But he came... we got married and we can …
DR. H. ROTOUS: No when did you get-- engaged?
G. ROTOUS: In November.
DR. H. ROTOUS: The same year in 1930?
G. ROTOUS: 1930. Yes.
DR. H. ROTOUS: So he came over March in 1930 and then you got engaged in? And then you got …
G. ROTOUS: No in December we got engaged.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Of 1930?
G. ROTOUS: And we got married in February.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Alright. So you got engaged in December …
G. ROTOUS: Yeah.
DR. H. ROTOUS: 1930?
G. ROTOUS: 31. And 40 and …
DR. H. ROTOUS: 30 and …
G. ROTOUS: And 41 we …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Which was your wedding date? February …?
G. ROTOUS: First.
DR. H. ROTOUS: February 1st …
G. ROTOUS: 1931.
DR. H. ROTOUS: 1931 is when you got married? December, January, February. So you were just engaged for two months?
G. ROTOUS: Yeah.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Did you have a dowry? Did your father offer a dowry?
G. ROTOUS: Oh yes …
DR. H. ROTOUS: What was your …
G. ROTOUS: The half of the house can …
DR. H. ROTOUS: What was your dowry? Half of the house in …
G. ROTOUS: Half of the house in Limni.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Limni
G. ROTOUS: Because …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Half of it.
G. ROTOUS: At that time, the house I was born was the 2nd best in Limni.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: Because there it was in business …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Right.
G. ROTOUS: When we got married -- when he got married so -- the house was big and …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Right. So who …
G. ROTOUS: And not only that but we -- he gave me olive orchards.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Olive orchards? Yeah?
G. ROTOUS: And grape …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Abelia.
G. ROTOUS: Abelia …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh so you owned property that he had …
G. ROTOUS: I got some but I sold them when I went with [unintelligible - 00:28:50] I gave …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah, I know.
G. ROTOUS: I gave them …
DR. H. ROTOUS: But you did own olive orchards and …
G. ROTOUS: Half of the …
DR. H. ROTOUS: Grape [unintelligible - 00:28:58] and half of the house?
G. ROTOUS: And half of the house …
DR. H. ROTOUS: And who -- or who had the other half?
G. ROTOUS: Had the other -- Katerini.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Katerini. What did Maria get?
G. ROTOUS: Maria -- [unintelligible - 00:29:12] was in business and forest [unintelligible - 00:29:17].
DR. H. ROTOUS: Whatdid they do?
G. ROTOUS: What they did they had a factory in (Mandarthi).
DR. H. ROTOUS: (Mandarthi)?
G. ROTOUS: They used to scrap the -- how do they call it?
DR. H. ROTOUS: The bark from the tree. The pitch?
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:29:33]
DR. H. ROTOUS: The trunk?
G. ROTOUS: Used to scrap the trunk and have cups underneath to accumulate the sap.
DR. H. ROTOUS: The sap from the tree.
G. ROTOUS: And they had a factory in (Mandarthi).
DR. H. ROTOUS: And what did the make with the sap?
G. ROTOUS: And they have a factory in Limni too.
DR. H. ROTOUS: What did they make from the sap?
G. ROTOUS: Dishes, combs, many things. [00:30:00] they used to it was -- the factory was by river and the boat from Europe -- big boat they used to come and load it big that’s how my father burnt his eye, his eyesight so to say.
DR. H. ROTOUS: What parts of Europe do you know where they came from?
G. ROTOUS: I don’t know. And then as I told you a while ago he had another factory in Limni, so Maria she got that factory in Limni and they all got the [unintelligible - 00:30:40] of my father’s.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah father’s house he was raised in.
G. ROTOUS: Yeah he was raised in [unintelligible - 00:30:49].
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh I see so he really took care of his daughters your father.
G. ROTOUS: Oh yeah.
DR. H. ROTOUS: That’s good.
G. ROTOUS: And when I was in the old country Maria and Katerini there was very much upsetting because to [unintelligible - 00:31:16] you know in front of the house is because [unintelligible - 00:31:19] and when I went there I remember Katerini [unintelligible - 00:31:25].
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G. ROTOUS: And I thought to myself that was wrong.
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DR. H. ROTOUS: It’s difficult okay yeah, who was the [unintelligible - 00:32:02] at your wedding, who was your best man? [Unintelligible - 00:32:06]?
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:32:12]
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DR. H. ROTOUS: Huh that’s interesting.
G. ROTOUS: That’s interesting really is.
DR. H. ROTOUS: I’ve never asked you that question before your [unintelligible - 00:32:26]?
G. ROTOUS: I never do remember.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Who changed the [unintelligible - 00:32:29] on everything?
G. ROTOUS: That’s funny.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Do you remember anything about the wedding? Tell me about your wedding day…
G. ROTOUS: I tell you my wedding day my brother had died and gave him a [unintelligible - 00:32:46].
DR. H. ROTOUS: How come you didn’t wait again till it was over?
G. ROTOUS: They want us to leave…
DR. H. ROTOUS: Do you want to come back to the…
G. ROTOUS: To come to this country you see.
DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh I see come back.
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DR. H. ROTOUS: So you didn’t have a big celebration?
G. ROTOUS: Oh yes.
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DR. H. ROTOUS: Oh not in the church?
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:33:27].
DR. H. ROTOUS: You didn’t have a wedding in the church? In the house you had the wedding and the priest came to the house?
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DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah that was the reception afterwards.
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DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah well didn’t you have in the house in the church you must have gotten married in the church?
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DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah how many days from the time he died did you get married?
G. ROTOUS: I think one and a half year [unintelligible - 00:34:26].
DR. H. ROTOUS: Since he died?
G. ROTOUS: Since he got killed as I said…
DR. H. ROTOUS: You got married a year and a half after he got killed and you were still?
G. ROTOUS: Are you kidding?
DR. H. ROTOUS: The first one year I thought it was…
G. ROTOUS: Are you kidding maybe even now they don’t have it otherwise my mother never left her black dresses after her son passed away.
DR. H. ROTOUS: That’s sad.
G. ROTOUS: It is sad, but that’s how it works in small towns. Anyway [00:35:00] [unintelligible - 00:35:01].
DR. H. ROTOUS: Let’s see your husband’s name and place of birth was Andreas Rotus [unintelligible - 00:35:13] and he was born March 5th 1897, right. His nickname [unintelligible - 00:35:24]
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:35:29] baby name is good.
DR. H. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:35:36] huh what was it mother?
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:35:39]
DR. H. ROTOUS: Yeah [unintelligible - 00:35:42]?
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:35:46]
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Frankly more sure [unintelligible - 00:00:04] and you were 23 years old see and Daddy was 33.
G. ROTOUS: 33.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah, yeah. And so tell me about the trip over to San Francisco.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: In downtown San Francisco or…?
G. ROTOUS: Yes, yes.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah, yeah proper.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: What was the name of that [unintelligible - 00:00:47], do you remember what part of San Francisco it was?
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:00:53].
DR. H.ROTOUS: Oh, yeah.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Okay, then well how long did you stay in San Francisco?
G. ROTOUS: Oh, about a week or…
DR. H.ROTOUS: And you lived with the Lucases? And then you came to Aberdeen? And…
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah and then and you came right to the house -- house one block to north from where…
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DR. H.ROTOUS: What was his real name [unintelligible - 00:01:44]? That's a question.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: (Costa).
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DR. H.ROTOUS: (Costa) what?
G. ROTOUS: (Costa) [unintelligible - 00:01:57].
DR. H.ROTOUS: Oh, yeah, oh [unintelligible - 00:02:03]. Oh, yeah, of course you saw [unintelligible - 00:02:06], yeah. [Unintelligible - 00:02:08].
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah, sure, sure. They're about the same age?
G. ROTOUS: Same age.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Oh, really where the [unintelligible - 00:02:36]?
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Right, now do they have the two boys already, Harry and Milton?
G. ROTOUS: Yes. They had -- it was a baby the Milton [unintelligible - 00:02:50].
DR. H.ROTOUS: Milton was a baby. And you lived for the whole month for them -- with them.
G. ROTOUS: Oh, yes.
DR. H.ROTOUS: That was nice and they lived in that house on -- what, Elm Street?
G. ROTOUS: No. No, [unintelligible - 00:03:05] on the other side.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Anyway, anyway.
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SPEAKER: And then when you came over -- so then you got the [unintelligible - 00:03:21] house, bought the [unintelligible - 00:03:22] house.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: And that's where Cardilio was born and then you lived there for... what a couple of years?
G. ROTOUS: Oh, no, maybe.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Because I was born in the Jefferson house.
G. ROTOUS: But you're going to have to go to them [unintelligible - 00:03:38].
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah, I was born in the Jefferson house and there was about two year’s difference between us.
G. ROTOUS: Yeah.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah, okay. And then Daddy had the store, had a great [unintelligible - 00:03:48] food store?
G. ROTOUS: Yes, so…
DR. H.ROTOUS: And it was Cardilio’s [unintelligible - 00:03:53] that was taking care of it while he was gone, right?
G. ROTOUS: Yeah, the store.
DR. H.ROTOUS: The store on Heron Street, 213 West Heron Street, the [unintelligible - 00:04:03] food store.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: And I know the [unintelligible - 00:04:10].
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah, I know.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah, but isn't true that Daddy had lost a lot of money in the depression?
G. ROTOUS: He didn’t lost too money because that’s how he got the property we have now.
DR. H.ROTOUS: He had that money before he came over to Greece and he had put it in the banks didn’t he?
G. ROTOUS: He had in the bank and…
DR. H.ROTOUS: But didn’t the banks go…?
G. ROTOUS: And the bank at that time [unintelligible - 00:04:37].
DR. H.ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:04:40] or…
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah, well you couldn’t get the money.
G. ROTOUS: In 1939 see.
DR. H.ROTOUS: ’39…
G. ROTOUS: At that time…
DR. H.ROTOUS: No, no. ’31 is when you came over, ’31, ’32. The depression was ‘29/’30 here. Wasn’t it during the depression -- [00:05:00] see it was at the depression that you came but Daddy had put money -- had kept money…
G. ROTOUS: No.
DR. H.ROTOUS: No. In the banks before he left for Greece.
G. ROTOUS: Yeah, he had in the bank and then the bank told daddy if you give your money now you're going to get half of it because -- but it’s a good cooperative that if you want to take it, go ahead…
DR. H.ROTOUS: Take the half of…
G. ROTOUS: That could happen.
DR. H.ROTOUS: So, he only got half of the money that he had put in before he left because of the depression?
G. ROTOUS: No, he had the all money and he got it all back because he turn it to a property.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Oh, I see he took all the money he brought property for the money?
G. ROTOUS: Yeah, otherwise if he didn’t he was going to lose half of it.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Oh, I see. So, he reinvested it…
G. ROTOUS: In, yeah he had it invested in the bank and then when he bought the property invest it in the property. He had put in the bank I should say that…
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah, yeah.
G. ROTOUS: And then [unintelligible - 00:06:07].
DR. H.ROTOUS: He can't put it into the bank before he left to go and marry you.
G. ROTOUS: Oh, yes.
DR. H.ROTOUS: When he came back then he took the money and you don’t know how much money he had, do you have any idea?
G. ROTOUS: I usually thought that actually that is a lot of…
DR. H.ROTOUS: But lose all the money at that time, yeah.
G. ROTOUS: Oh, sure.
DR. H.ROTOUS: $6,000, yeah.
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:06:29].
DR. H.ROTOUS: How much did he pay for the house?
G. ROTOUS: He must have more money because he had extra money he came to Greece you know…
DR. H.ROTOUS: Sure
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:06:38] he must have a cash some also extra.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Oh, sure, right, right. So, then you came to Aberdeen and then you went to work in the store and didn’t you go to school when -- night school to get your citizenship?
G. ROTOUS: His partner left because [unintelligible - 00:07:10] the brothers when talk to [unintelligible - 00:07:23] he’ll be right back in a minute, he’ll be right back in a minute.
DR. H.ROTOUS: In the store?
G. ROTOUS: In the store and then after a few years I had the children then, I went to [unintelligible - 00:08:00] before that we had the children. In fact it was [unintelligible - 00:08:05] we went and took our citizenship papers; it was six years after I came to this country.
DR. H.ROTOUS: That you got your citizenship?
G. ROTOUS: And I got my citizenship papers.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Did you go to school?
G. ROTOUS: Oh, yes, yes at [unintelligible - 00:08:18] School.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah with [unintelligible - 00:08:23].
G. ROTOUS: With Mrs. [Unintelligible - 00:08:24].
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: And that’s how I got my citizenship paper and then I learn how to drive and all.
DR. H.ROTOUS: You learn to drive -- did Daddy teach you to drive, you went to driving school, didn’t you?
G. ROTOUS: Yes, Daddy had shown me, you know.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah, to begin with and then you finish…
G. ROTOUS: And then I went to school too.
DR. H.ROTOUS: And then didn’t you take piano lessons?
G. ROTOUS: Oh, yeah.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Tell us about that.
G. ROTOUS: I had got -- I thought a very interesting.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Of course it was. I mean how any other woman…
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DR. H.ROTOUS: I know.
G. ROTOUS: I just I want to learn so much…
DR. H.ROTOUS: But you wanted to be -- you told me you wanted to be a teacher to begin with?
G. ROTOUS: That was the old country [unintelligible - 00:09:05].
DR. H.ROTOUS: Well, tell us about that. But you really wanted to become a teacher?
G. ROTOUS: Oh, yeah so.
DR. H.ROTOUS: But your family couldn’t afford to send you to Athens?
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:09:18] eight grade [unintelligible - 00:09:23] through that eight grade and I went one more year in order [unintelligible - 00:09:34].
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah, to become a teacher.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Right. In the meantime there was a war you said.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Oh yeah?
G. ROTOUS: About music…
DR. H.ROTOUS: Free?
G. ROTOUS: Free.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Piano?
G. ROTOUS: Piano.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: With the bus?
G. ROTOUS: With the bus.
DR. H.ROTOUS: You would take both of us?
G. ROTOUS: Both of us.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: And who took care of us when you were taking your lesson? How could you take two small children with you? Just let them play [unintelligible - 00:10:49].
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:10:51] but [unintelligible - 00:10:52].
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah, that was your idea to take the piano lessons?
G. ROTOUS: Of course I wanted.
DR. H.ROTOUS: You wanted to learn? How long did you take lessons?
G. ROTOUS: I took for a bit…
DR. H.ROTOUS: How many…
G. ROTOUS: Long, long ago.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah I know, long, long ago for months or years or?
G. ROTOUS: Maybe six months.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Six months?
G. ROTOUS: Oh that’s why in that time…
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DR. H.ROTOUS: To help him in the store.
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:11:30] four years old nobody can believe it.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah I know.
G. ROTOUS: But you went through the [unintelligible - 00:11:36] anyway.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah but you told them I was five years old, didn't you [unintelligible - 00:11:40]?
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:11:41].
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah so I could.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah. So you took about six months of piano lessons?
G. ROTOUS: Oh yes.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Every week?
G. ROTOUS: Yes.
DR. H.ROTOUS: But didn’t you want – you took – partly the reason was to teach us piano too wasn’t it?
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G. ROTOUS: Even now Helen I sing at the church and I see the notion and I know where to start where to [unintelligible - 00:12:20].
DR. H.ROTOUS: When you learn something like that.
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:12:23]. I want to learn.
DR. H.ROTOUS: I know, but to get back to Greece when you wanted to go to become a teacher didn’t you say that there was a war then and that things became so expensive?
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DR. H.ROTOUS: There was inflation?
G. ROTOUS: Inflation.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Occurred and then so your family couldn’t afford to send you to Athens.
G. ROTOUS: It was too much money…
DR. H.ROTOUS: Now if you were going to go to school there in Athens and you’d have to live in an apartment? Or in the dormitory for girls?
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DR. H.ROTOUS: That’s too bad.
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G. ROTOUS: Even after eighth grade what I knew.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Oh to go over there and learn?
G. ROTOUS: No [unintelligible - 00:13:42].
DR. H.ROTOUS: You’d be a teacher?
G. ROTOUS: To be a teacher [unintelligible - 00:13:48].
DR. H.ROTOUS: Oh I see like an elementary school teacher?
G. ROTOUS: No, no…
DR. H.ROTOUS: Just to teach.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah so you were a teacher anyway huh?
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Don’t say that.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: How about your other sisters what did they want? They didn’t have ambitions like you did huh?
G. ROTOUS: No, no. Well in time people there was; dreams, more progress people.
DR. H.ROTOUS: [00:15:00] Now what were your hobbies?
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DR. H.ROTOUS: How old were you then when you were taking sewing lessons? 14 years old? You had finished your eight years though…
G. ROTOUS: The eight years of schooling from six…
DR. H.ROTOUS: From 6 to 13, 13 and then when you were 14 you went to learn how to sew.
G. ROTOUS: Oh yes.
DR. H.ROTOUS: And you took lessons, did your father pay money to this lady to teach you?
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Really?
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G. ROTOUS: I had that interest about drawing.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah see.
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G. ROTOUS: Different…
DR. H.ROTOUS: Designs.
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G. ROTOUS: Yes sir.
DR. H.ROTOUS: You want your 14?
G. ROTOUS: Oh yeah.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Now you weren’t engaged to anybody else before you married Daddy?
G. ROTOUS: No.
DR. H.ROTOUS: No engagement, no interest in any -- no?
G. ROTOUS: It's funny.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah, sure. Now over here after you work in the store all those years with Daddy and when you close the store when was that, remember what year you closed the grocery store?
G. ROTOUS: You mean [unintelligible - 00:17:49]?
DR. H.ROTOUS: No [unintelligible - 00:17:51] store, when did you move over to the market street store?
G. ROTOUS: It must have been 1939, it was a week after [unintelligible - 00:18:03].
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G. ROTOUS: But we was lucky.
DR. H.ROTOUS: But 1939 is when we went to the World’s Fair in San Francisco remember? When you took Cordelia and me the three of us got on the train the first train trip I ever took I never forget it.
G. ROTOUS: Mrs. Lucas [unintelligible - 00:18:36]…
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yes and we stayed in here and then we went to [unintelligible - 00:18:38] for a while too and we went to – I’ll never forget the World’s Fair, I still remember it, it’s the first thing I remember in my life.
G. ROTOUS: Is that so?
DR. H.ROTOUS: I was five years old see and Cordelia was seven and I remember you gave me my first taste of Coffee on the train, I’ll never forget that and there was sugar in it you put sugar I thought it was pretty good yeah. Yeah and I remember the Coke machine, the things I remember the Coke machine how they showed how an automatic machine that pours the Coke in there and caps it automatically and the other thing I remember is how they showed that there’s going to be a new invention and it's gonna be called a television set. And they showed, in one room they showed someone being interviewed and then you’d go to the other room and you saw this picture I thought that was a miracle. I’ll never forget that was the…
G. ROTOUS: You see, you loved to learn…
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah I know I was always interested in learning.
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:19:48] it was me.
DR. H.ROTOUS: I never will forget that see a TV had not come out…
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G. ROTOUS: To junior high.
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G. ROTOUS: Uh French, English and art and I took from him and the rest of the pupils that couldn’t remember I was doing those things and were so good were cancelled.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah you were trying.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: You were good at art even (then)?
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: When was that? When?
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DR. H.ROTOUS: You mean in Greece?
G. ROTOUS: In Greece, in Limni.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Oh, I see, in Limni, right.
G. ROTOUS: Japanese has a fairer you know.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah. Yeah well it was when you retired then? From the market street store...
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DR. H.ROTOUS: That you...
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G. ROTOUS: All over my head and.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: To – to relax.
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G. ROTOUS: Who wants to learn you know.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Sure.
G. ROTOUS: We couldn’t give Steve Pillerman night school.
DR. H.ROTOUS: To do you college. Didn’t you go to a night school?
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Breathing. Yes. I remember that and you made some.
G. ROTOUS: Little stool.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Little stool.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yes I remember it.
G. ROTOUS: The music.
DR. H.ROTOUS: The coffee table.
G. ROTOUS: The coffee table.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah with the harps on the side.
G. ROTOUS: We’ve done so much out of that we’ve learned so much.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: From the – yeah.
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G. ROTOUS: I know everything; you don’t know how much I know about those things.
DR. H.ROTOUS: See you were always interested in learning.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: But -- and then you got interested in the Red Cross. Volunteer work.
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G. ROTOUS: Business and professional woman's club.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Right.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: I know volunteer work.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Wonderful.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Right that’s?
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DR. H.ROTOUS: I believe it. I believe it.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah
G. ROTOUS: To volunteer work.
SPEAKER1: Yeah, and didn’t you get the -- what awards have you gotten? Didn’t you get an award -- the family of the year?
G. ROTOUS: Yes.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Did you get that?
G. ROTOUS: We did that.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Which year do you remember which year?
G. ROTOUS: No.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah the red cross.
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G. ROTOUS: The red cross repeated this.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Because you were – had worked how many years?
G. ROTOUS: We worked twenty three years only for the nursing homes.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Nursing homes.
G. ROTOUS: But I were working before that too.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah. Daddy used to go.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Normally.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: I know.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
SPEAKER : (It was founded in our territory [Kazikarobica])
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah. Argentina?
G. ROTOUS: Yes.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Really?
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DR. H.ROTOUS: I see.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Didn’t you like to sing too. You like to sing?
G. ROTOUS: Oh yes.
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G. ROTOUS: Why don’t you sing aloud [unintelligible -- 00:25:23] you are clearly a good singer so...
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: I tell you why. Every time I did...
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Now there are some Greek songs, remember you used to love to sing in Greek.
G. ROTOUS: Sure.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah what’s your favorite Greek song?
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G. ROTOUS: That’s too much.
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Okay. You can’t sing me a song to finish it off. I am about to yell a karaoke or which one which song?
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Remember we used to always sing when we'd on camping trips. You’d sing [unintelligible -- 00:26:12].
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DR. H.ROTOUS: Good. Okay can you tell me for the last question?
G. ROTOUS: I hope so.
DR. H.ROTOUS: What is your philosophy of life?
G. ROTOUS: I can [unintelligible -- 00:26:59].
DR. H.ROTOUS: [Unintelligible -- 00:27:01].
G. ROTOUS: The life I had (Helen).
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G. ROTOUS: Communication.
DR. H.ROTOUS: That’s good.
DR. H.ROTOUS: The most important.
G. ROTOUS: This is my life.
DR. H.ROTOUS: You should communicate with your partner.
G. ROTOUS: You should communicate with your partner. If you don’t communicate don’t get into it.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah that’s true. That’s one of the most important things. Thank you.
G. ROTOUS: Now tell me mother. Which organizations have you involved with during your life?
G. ROTOUS: As soon as I came from the out country my husband encouraged me to be in American Red Cross who used to believe in so much and we -- we used to make a lot of sandwiches for the soldiers that was coming from the – from the beaches.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Correct. Which war was that?
G. ROTOUS: The Second World War.
DR. H.ROTOUS: The Second World War. Okay.
G. ROTOUS: Which I didn’t belong even now in my age I worked for the blood [roan] all those years.
DR. H.ROTOUS: The blood bank.
G. ROTOUS: And once we had a -- a call to make robes for the hospital in Arg... which we send in Argentina and.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Why was there a disaster there?
G. ROTOUS: Oh yes, but they all was so full there see we used to make different things so.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah. Okay.
G. ROTOUS: [Unintelligible -- 00:28:54] yeah church.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Okay.
G. ROTOUS: And our court I was to make twenty five and I made twelve of heavy material.
DR. H.ROTOUS: You mean for the whole group? 25 is how many? Your whole club and you made twelve out of twenty five.
G. ROTOUS: Is it only for [our called] in our town.
DR. H.ROTOUS: So you made almost half.
G. ROTOUS: Almost half.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yourself?
G. ROTOUS: We used to make [unintelligible -- 00:29:20] bags to send to the soldiers overseas.
DR. H.ROTOUS: In -- What the second world war?
G. ROTOUS: In the Second World War.
DR. H.ROTOUS: And those were your first supplies?
G. ROTOUS: Supplies and I worked at the office.
DR. H.ROTOUS: At the Red Cross office?
G. ROTOUS: In the red cross office and they used to call at night even soldiers somebody died in this country and they have to bring the – the soldier over here to – for the – to see their sick people.
DR. H.ROTOUS: I see. Okay. Which other organizations were you involved in?
G. ROTOUS: [00:30:00] I was new when I came from the business professional woman's club and they told me they were anxious to learn about Greece. So, I really had an awful hard time because I was, I only came from the old country and also I think when I stand up in the group, the thing that -- words, how to pronounce them and my news was second and he takes over, I tell you I had an awful time. I told him, yes I talked to them about Greece and then…
DR. H.ROTOUS: And you were a member of that for…?
G. ROTOUS: For 12 years.
DR. H.ROTOUS: 12 years, okay.
G. ROTOUS: And then we started the [unintelligible - 00:30:48] who’s in a Greek organization of course and [unintelligible - 00:30:55] chapter 261 I start this organization and I was the first president.
DR. H.ROTOUS: You were the founder of your chapter.
G. ROTOUS: I was the founder yeah.
DR. H.ROTOUS: In Aberdeen Washington?
G. ROTOUS: In Aberdeen Washington yes.
DR. H.ROTOUS: And then you also – was... there wasn’t a [Hepa] chapter there?
G. ROTOUS: And there wasn’t a [Hepa] chapter --
DR. H.ROTOUS: [Unintelligible - 00:31:20].
G. ROTOUS: which my husband had already started that one.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Your husband had started, was the founder of the [Hepa] chapterin Aberdeen.
G. ROTOUS: The founder of the [Hepa] was around ’79.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Grace [Hepa] chapter number 179.
G. ROTOUS: Is still going on.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Is still in existence. And that you hosted the convention.
G. ROTOUS: And I hosted the convention,
DR. H.ROTOUS: District convention in Aberdeen.
G. ROTOUS: In Aberdeen Washington and my…
DR. H.ROTOUS: What position did you hold?
G. ROTOUS: I was hospitality chairman and my husband was district secretary and treasurer.
DR. H.ROTOUS: And what year is that?
G. ROTOUS: That was 1953.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Okay.
G. ROTOUS: I was new at that time.
DR. H.ROTOUS: And what else?
G. ROTOUS: And whenever we have every year we celebrate vasilopita party who’s I made it all the time. I always make my vasilopita.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Your vasilopita every year.
G. ROTOUS: Every year till now.
DR. H.ROTOUS: The first of the year.
G. ROTOUS: Uh-hmm. And let's see... and also I belong to the AAR the American Association of Retired Persons. Really is good organizations all over the United States.
DR. H.ROTOUS: You found it helpful in what way?
G. ROTOUS: Oh in what way – each one the members they had to participate, they have government order, you have to vote for different things you know, it’s a big organization.
DR. H.ROTOUS: They educate the members.
G. ROTOUS: They educate members and they have tea afterwards and just make [unintelligible - 00:33:24] you know and things like this.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Well that’s good. Okay.
G. ROTOUS: So we still are, and one thing I belong to the grandmother’s club and this is a very good organization too for the old people.
DR. H.ROTOUS: You get together and have meetings?
G. ROTOUS: Oh yeah we go trips.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Take trips together.
G. ROTOUS: And we went to Hawaii even one time.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Oh.
G. ROTOUS: Oh yes uh-huh. It was just wonderful. I just love the old people period. I just love them. They’re all friendly you know and every time when you have your birthday then you serve the coffee after the meeting, we sing everyone you know, it’s wonderful. One thing I’m going to tell you about my husband on his old days for many years he was a gloss up man. But before that he was a barber but no money at that time for the barber today so he turned onto open up the free markets.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Grocery store.
G. ROTOUS: Grocery store and when he retired from that we used to go to the nursing homes and my husband used to cut hair and many times we had 35 people to cut hair one afternoon. He was so busy and I used to get him you know with a wheelchair [00:35:00] putting on to have…
DR. H.ROTOUS: So you would prepare them for…
G. ROTOUS: Prepare them we have special room where we used to come when he was going to go. Sometimes they was calling us and I was getting better with the --
DR. H.ROTOUS: And this is a volunteer effort?
G. ROTOUS: Volunteer for the Red Cross.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Right, right. That’s wonderful, how many years did you do that, for how many years?
G. ROTOUS: 23 years.
DR. H.ROTOUS: For 23 years.
G. ROTOUS: The first two years we used to go out of town with 30 miles away.
DR. H.ROTOUS: So how many nursing homes per month would you visit?
G. ROTOUS: Oh about three, four.
DR. H.ROTOUS: So about once a week, one full day a week you’d more or less spend there?
G. ROTOUS: We used to go every two weeks.
DR. H.ROTOUS: I see.
G. ROTOUS: But sometimes when they call us before even between times, even we used to go to homes in that time at the beginning. Even we used to go [unintelligible - 00:35:58] and we went to Raymond for two years that was too much for us.
DR. H.ROTOUS: The family did it yeah.
G. ROTOUS: So much to do. And we belong to the Episcopal Church that was very important to me because we were enough in Aberdeen Washington to have our own church.
DR. H.ROTOUS: How many Greek families lived in Aberdeen Washington?
G. ROTOUS: I have a picture of 1911 and the 25th of March they had a party or something, they must be about 60.
DR. H.ROTOUS: 60 Greek people. How many families would you say?
G. ROTOUS: Families I don’t think they’re very many, maybe 15.
DR. H.ROTOUS: 15 families at that time?
G. ROTOUS: At that time.
DR. H.ROTOUS: But now how many families?
G. ROTOUS: Now it’s too late, now…
DR. H.ROTOUS: Very few.
G. ROTOUS: My husband was the last one of that generation because he passed away two years ago. And I am the one you know --
DR. H.ROTOUS: How old was he when he passed away?
G. ROTOUS: He was – if it was two months yet he was going to be 91.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Yeah okay, almost 91 years old.
G. ROTOUS: Almost 91 years old and I am the last one now from the old people.
DR. H.ROTOUS: Did you have regular get-togethers with all the Greek people regularly?
G. ROTOUS: Oh the…
DR. H.ROTOUS: In the early days?
G. ROTOUS: The early days we had lots of fun, my husband sang of course Andréa’s and we had big parties.
DR. H.ROTOUS: You mean on St. Andrew’s Day?
SPEAKE R 2: On St. Andrew’s have an open house you know they [unintelligible - 00:37:47] done in our home. And on New Year’s Eve we used to go and play cards and…
DR. H.ROTOUS: New Year’s Eve?
G. ROTOUS: Uh-huh.
DR. H.ROTOUS: At your home?
G. ROTOUS: Yes and baptism and…
DR. H.ROTOUS: When there was you mean…
G. ROTOUS: Baptism when we had Cordelia’s baptism you remember? We brought priests from Tacoma that was the closest to ours that time.
We brought a priest from Tacoma because that was the closest to...
DR. H.ROTOUS: Closest parish to your...
Now didn’t you get together regularly on the like March 25th?
G. ROTOUS: Oh yeah of course. Don’t you remember you used to dance? You used to have like acrobatic and the judge there they gave you $5?
DR. H.ROTOUS: Oh really? Yeah.
G. ROTOUS: Yeah uh-huh.
DR. H.ROTOUS: And didn’t the children stand up and give poems?
G. ROTOUS: Oh of course yes. Yes.
DR. H.ROTOUS: So that they would be proud of their heritage.
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